jbone Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 Been using Mobil 1 since new , as I do all my motor vehicles. My dad is a long time auto tech and always swore by it and told me he'd beat the stupid out of me if he caught me using anything else. In the FZ, it seemed smooth but felt there was much room for improvement. So, I switched to Rotella T6 last week as a lot of people swear by it, and I gotta say, I noticed a big improvement. I always thought shifting from 1-2 was noticeably less smooth than 2-6 and just figured I sucked. Rotella fixed that issue and then some. Anyway, thought I'd share my experience in the event any of you are having similar issues and consider switching oils. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dem3500 Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 thats diesel oil. i wouldnt run that. completely different type of engine. i dont believe its made for wet clutches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dem3500 Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 ok. page 60 of this manual. lower left of the page it talks specifically about not using diesel oil that meets certain specifications or that even exceed the specifications. https://www.manualslib.com/manual/837941/Yamaha-Mt-07.html?page=60#manual Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faffi Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 Diesel oils are fine for motorycles - they are made to run very hot with turbos spinning 100,000 rpm or more in addition to suffering heat from very high compression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dem3500 Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 also look on page 97. the oil specifications are on that page and the rotella does not meet either of yamahas requirments for oil types https://www.manualslib.com/manual/837941/Yamaha-Mt-07.html?page=97#manual Recommended engine oil grade: ..API service SG type or higher.. ..JASO standard MA.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dem3500 Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 amsoil metric motercycle oil meets both of yamahas requirements https://www.manualslib.com/manual/837941/Yamaha-Mt-07.html?page=97#manual Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worty Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 also look on page 97. the oil specifications are on that page and the rotella does not meet either of yamahas requirments for oil types https://www.manualslib.com/manual/837941/Yamaha-Mt-07.html?page=97#manual Recommended engine oil grade: ..API service SG type or higher.. ..JASO standard MA.. img url It meet all the requirements. It's all I've ever used in my Bikes (road and MX), ATV and car. I even use the use ATV oil in my lawnmower and pressure washer. but It your bike. Use what you want. I'll stay with the Rotella T6 in eveything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckles Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 I was running T3 15-40 which was Jaso-ma but it appears shell discontinued the t3 and replaced it with T4 which only lists Jaso-dh2. I'm going to miss my $12+filter oil changes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossco Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 I know a lot of people using Rotella. just because it says Diesel it scares a ton of people away. lots of R1 users even use it for racing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dem3500 Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 rotella is API type CJ4. yamaha calls for API type SG. the other from rotella is JASO standard DH2. yamaha calls for JASO standard MA. im not trying to argue im new here but have been down the oil discussion route in powersports many many times. at a minimum you want a wet clutch compatible oil which rotella is not. now i have no idea what kind of consequences will come from using rotella if any but why would you use a oil that is not designed for our engines and doesnt meet any specifications? im not going to argue. just trying to state the facts is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dem3500 Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 I was running T3 15-40 which was Jaso-ma but it appears shell discontinued the t3 and replaced it with T4 which only lists Jaso-dh2. I'm going to miss my $12+filter oil changes there you go! your on the same page as i am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peteinpa Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 You have to look for it but jaso ma is on my jug of t6 Rotella. Got new red 2015 FZ-07 on 7/22/16! Black 2006 Honda ST1300 53K miles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dem3500 Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 You have to look for it but jaso ma is on my jug of t6 Rotella.all i can go off of is the shell data sheet they have online. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmacas87 Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 Rotella T4 15w-40 and T6 5w-40 synthetic ARE JASO MA/MA2 rated. I've used both T4 and T6 in all my bikes with no issues at all. Save money and change it often and keep that fresh oil feeling without breaking the bank. A jug of the T4 is like 15 bucks or something at wally world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dem3500 Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 ok here is the live web page. the data sheet originally posted was from 2013. on the current web page it does list its JASO MA/MA2 but does not meet the API service SG so even at that it only meets half of the requirements and is not wet clutch compatable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faffi Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 SG is a very old standard and the Rotella surpass it by a long way http://www.pqiamerica.com/Labels.htm My old 1978 Honda CX500 said to use SE 10W40 and change it every 7500 miles. You cannot find SE oil today. Doesn't mean the specifications are not met. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member i28 Posted July 25, 2017 Premium Member Share Posted July 25, 2017 ok here is the live web page. the data sheet originally posted was from 2013. on the current web page it does list its JASO MA/MA2 but does not meet the API service SG so even at that it only meets half of the requirements and is not wet clutch compatable. The SG rating is obsolete so nobody uses it anymore. http://www.pqiamerica.com/apiserviceclass.htm The Rotella t6 is API SM rated so it's fine for gasoline engines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckles Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 Rotella T4 15w-40 and T6 5w-40 synthetic ARE JASO MA/MA2 rated. I've used both T4 and T6 in all my bikes with no issues at all. Save money and change it often and keep that fresh oil feeling without breaking the bank. A jug of the T4 is like 15 bucks or something at wally world. On the Rotella website the T4 is only listed at JASO DH-2 (10W-30 only, 15W-40 shows no JASO Spec), The T6 Full Synthetic is still listed as JASO MA/MA2. Additionally the T6 Multi-Vehicle 5w-30 only shows JASO DH-2. Here is the website, http://rotella.shell.com/products.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faffi Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 Too many have used Rotella for too many years and too many miles - if there was a problem with its ability to protect, it would have surfaced. For those demanding JASO-certification, this may be of interest:http://www.jalos.or.jp/onfile/pdf/4T_EV_LIST.pdf But also this discussion: https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2647970 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmacas87 Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 Rotella T4 15w-40 and T6 5w-40 synthetic ARE JASO MA/MA2 rated. I've used both T4 and T6 in all my bikes with no issues at all. Save money and change it often and keep that fresh oil feeling without breaking the bank. A jug of the T4 is like 15 bucks or something at wally world. On the Rotella website the T4 is only listed at JASO DH-2 (10W-30 only, 15W-40 shows no JASO Spec), The T6 Full Synthetic is still listed as JASO MA/MA2. Additionally the T6 Multi-Vehicle 5w-30 only shows JASO DH-2. Here is the website, http://rotella.shell.com/products.html straight from the T4 triple protection webpage....yo have it backwards. 15w-40 is ok 10w-30 not listed for MA/MA2. http://rotella.shell.com/products/rotella-triple-protection.html for t6http://rotella.shell.com/products/t6-full-synthetic.html With all due respect, look a little closer That said I agree with the post above. People have been using these oils for way too long with success for us to have any doubt that people who want to use it in their bikes should have no problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckles Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 On the Rotella website the T4 is only listed at JASO DH-2 (10W-30 only, 15W-40 shows no JASO Spec), The T6 Full Synthetic is still listed as JASO MA/MA2. Additionally the T6 Multi-Vehicle 5w-30 only shows JASO DH-2. Here is the website, http://rotella.shell.com/products.htmlstraight from the T4 triple protection webpage....yo have it backwards. 15w-40 is ok 10w-30 not listed for MA/MA2. http://rotella.shell.com/products/rotella-triple-protection.html for t6http://rotella.shell.com/products/t6-full-synthetic.html With all due respect, look a little closer That said I agree with the post above. People have been using these oils for way too long with success for us to have any doubt that people who want to use it in their bikes should have no problem. You are 100% correct, that's what I get for speed reading at work haha. Looks like I'll be running 15-40 T4 on my next change. I've used rotella T3 on pretty much every type engine without any problems, when I saw they discontinued it and went to T4 I had some concerns. The 15-40 at my local napa only listed the DH-2 standard on the back and I guess I missed the ma/ma2 listing on the website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbone Posted July 26, 2017 Author Share Posted July 26, 2017 Damn, look what I started... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member DewMan Posted July 26, 2017 Premium Member Share Posted July 26, 2017 Damn, look what I started...What were you thinking? DewMan Just shut up and ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beemer Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 Damn, look what I started...But you weren't on a Harley when you did it so you're forgiven. Beemer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beemer Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 So, is this the right stuff? I hope so because it's less than half the price of the Motul Oil I've been using. https://www.walmart.com/ip/Shell-Rotella-T4-15W40-Heavy-Duty-Diesel-Oil-1-gal/181236405#about-item Beemer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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