Guest ChicagoAJ Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Hey AJ, so it's happening! Both are solid choices. I'm still biased towards the Zook, for these reasons: - power. No kidding . I passed a slower car yesterday and since I just finished the stage 1 of the break-in, I went over 6k rpm. Holly s***. The rush (and the sound) - just amazing. And I did not go above 8600 rpm - did not need to. - Honda is a bit heavier and you feel it, although the chassis is well balanced and it hides a bit of that. - Style. You have to see them in person. The Zook looks better in person, Honda does not. That's subjective though. The exhaust on the Honda is atrocious. Same with the headlight, although the Zook is over-styled in that department, so it's close. I like the single sided swing arm, but they killed it with that spiral psychedelic wheel in the back. I like the gold though. - Brakes. They felt much more intuitve on the Zook (to me) compared to the Honda. Again, it depends on preferences. - Traction control and Bosch ABS. They do have the potential to save your bacon. - Dash has a bit more info on the Zook. I have to say that the fueling felt amazing on the Honda. Zook is a bit more agressive, but I like like that. Keep us posted and good luck! Break-in?! I would've hit the rev-limiter on the way out of the lot, haha. I'm getting way ahead of myself, seeing as how this probably won't happen until next season - but one can dream! Haven't even gotten my stock FZ stuff out of storage yet! Thanks for the info, bud. Glad to hear you still like the GSXS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manuel Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Oh, if you get the Honda, get the version with the radial brakes.... And I found this: http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/naked-bike-comparison-honda-cb1000r-vs-kawasaki-z1000-vs-suzuki-gsx-s1000-vs-yamaha-fz-09-review Testers' preferences, at the bottom, are interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manuel Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Break-in?! I would've hit the rev-limiter on the way out of the lot, haha. I'm getting way ahead of myself, seeing as how this probably won't happen until next season - but one can dream! Haven't even gotten my stock FZ stuff out of storage yet! Thanks for the info, bud. Glad to hear you still like the GSXS. Haha, I know, I know, this could work too. I'm going by the manual, but trust me, it's stupid fast even within those limits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duenan Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Don't make a poll. This topic is unnecessary. You should just get the one you had your eyes/heart set on from the beginning. Trust me. Or you'll just end up wasting time and money in the long run when you eventually get it later after you made your bad choice. Engaging with people that have personality disorders on a message board is like arguing with a rock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c0al67 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 I've ridden a CB1000R, it was buttery smooth all over, suspension was wonderful. You could ride that thing all day long without getting tired, and my friend that owns one rides it plenty aggressively, drags knees all over with it. I've never ridden the GSX but i've heard good things. I'd probably jump at the honda for the price though, and spend the extra on the usual mods (tail tidy, ecu flash / exhaust) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yamahaha Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 The Honda is pretty sweet looking compared to the Suzuki. 25 hp difference sucks. That will piss you off every time a competing litre bike pulls away from you. Hell ... the 600 and 750 supersports will pull away from you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member jake Posted October 13, 2016 Premium Member Share Posted October 13, 2016 http://cdn4.spiegel.de/images/image-832767-galleryV9-fjta.jpg http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/Gallery/Honda%20CB%201000R%2015%20%201.jpg Sorry in the looks department your splitting hairs Power wise the zuki kills it 2015 FZ-07 2003 2014 GSXR 1000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member jake Posted October 13, 2016 Premium Member Share Posted October 13, 2016 2015 FZ-07 2003 2014 GSXR 1000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beemer Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 The CB1000R because I don't like working on my bike (plug changes) if it's not to install an aftermarket part. Beemer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ChicagoAJ Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 The Honda is pretty sweet looking compared to the Suzuki. 25 hp difference sucks. That will piss you off every time a competing litre bike pulls away from you. Hell ... the 600 and 750 supersports will pull away from you. Yea, that's exactly why I'm on the fence about this. If the Honda had another 25-40hp, it would be no contest. I can't believe Honda thought it was a good idea to use the motor from a Fireblade with 170hp and detune it down to 124hp. The GSX actually makes more hp at the wheel than the Honda's motor alone. I believe the CB makes like 108hp at the wheel. I don't need a rocketship, that's why I'm not getting a liter supersport. But I don't want to feel wanting for more power, and I feel like that's exactly how I'll feel if I get the CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ChicagoAJ Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 http://cdn4.spiegel.de/images/image-832767-galleryV9-fjta.jpg http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/Gallery/Honda%20CB%201000R%2015%20%201.jpg Sorry in the looks department your splitting hairs Power wise the zuki kills it That Honda is a 2015 (only color for that year), and the Zook is a 2016. Also, that Zook has an Akrapovic slip-on on it. So it's not a good stock for stock comparison. Their exhausts are almost identical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 2wheeler Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 So what's the story regarding a flash on the Suzuki? Does it take out the jerky throttle off of idle? Is that one of the ones 2WDW has worked up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ChicagoAJ Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 So what's the story regarding a flash on the Suzuki? Does it take out the jerky throttle off of idle? Is that one of the ones 2WDW has worked up? It all depends on if the bike you purchase has a jerky throttle or not. I've been reading over the GSXS forums that a simple TPS adjustment completely cures the problem. All you need is a security torx T25 (I believe that's the size) and about 20 minutes to set it yourself. You can use a paper clip to bypass the diagnostic plug to get the dash to go into service mode to check the TPS to see if it's in the right spot or not. So I'm not super concerned about that. However, much like the numerous FZ-07 reviews of people complaining about the same thing, people complain about the engine braking and jerky throttle of the GSXS. Also, because of the harsh emissions restrictions - a lot of the bikes from overseas and the California models also have a pretty bad surging between 2000-3000rpm when trying to hold a constant speed. But Suzuki has already released a service bulletin and will replace the ECU with a slightly different tune if the bike in question has that problem. It would seem that these bikes have the jerky throttle problem more than the US and Canadian that don't require all the extra emission stuff. So if I do get one, I would think this won't be as big of an issue as people make it out to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fusbal Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 The Honda is pretty sweet looking compared to the Suzuki. 25 hp difference sucks. That will piss you off every time a competing litre bike pulls away from you. Hell ... the 600 and 750 supersports will pull away from you. Yea, that's exactly why I'm on the fence about this. If the Honda had another 25-40hp, it would be no contest. I can't believe Honda thought it was a good idea to use the motor from a Fireblade with 170hp and detune it down to 124hp. The GSX actually makes more hp at the wheel than the Honda's motor alone. I believe the CB makes like 108hp at the wheel. I don't need a rocketship, that's why I'm not getting a liter supersport. But I don't want to feel wanting for more power, and I feel like that's exactly how I'll feel if I get the CB. I can't imagine you'll feel wanting for more power with either bike. An exhaust and a tune and you'll be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manuel Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 Get the Honda and be forever haunted by this: Just saying. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ChicagoAJ Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 Look at that Honda stock fueling/power curve. It's basically a straight line! The GSX really takes a dump from 5-7k. To ride in the GSX's powerband up top, you'd have to be at a minimum of like 50-60mph in first gear. 1st goes to 74mph on the GSX (2nd is 106mph, 3rd is jail time), if it's that dead in the mid-range I might favor the Honda for all the city riding I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Global Moderator jeffkisthename Posted October 14, 2016 Global Moderator Share Posted October 14, 2016 Yea, that's exactly why I'm on the fence about this. If the Honda had another 25-40hp, it would be no contest. I can't believe Honda thought it was a good idea to use the motor from a Fireblade with 170hp and detune it down to 124hp. The GSX actually makes more hp at the wheel than the Honda's motor alone. I believe the CB makes like 108hp at the wheel. I don't need a rocketship, that's why I'm not getting a liter supersport. But I don't want to feel wanting for more power, and I feel like that's exactly how I'll feel if I get the CB. I can't imagine you'll feel wanting for more power with either bike. An exhaust and a tune and you'll be fine. I don't know. Power is addicting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ChicagoAJ Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 I can't imagine you'll feel wanting for more power with either bike. An exhaust and a tune and you'll be fine.I don't know. Power is addicting...Look at that dyno graph... The GSX is all over the place. High, low, high, low, HIGH, HIGH, HIGH. To ride that thing where the power is I'd be AT LEAST triple the limits on most streets (in 2nd gear or higher). Average speed limits where I live are probably around 35mph-45mph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Global Moderator jeffkisthename Posted October 14, 2016 Global Moderator Share Posted October 14, 2016 Then Honda it is for you. I do a lot of highway and lately I've been going to the twisties. The FZ-07 I like more for the twisties. That Suzuki is a hefty girl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ChicagoAJ Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 Then Honda it is for you. I do a lot of highway and lately I've been going to the twisties. The FZ-07 I like more for the twisties. That Suzuki is a hefty girl.Yup, unless I find an unbeatable deal on a 2016 GSXS over the winter, I think I'll likely pick up a new old stock 2014/2015 CB1000R. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Global Moderator jeffkisthename Posted October 14, 2016 Global Moderator Share Posted October 14, 2016 I'd like the FZ-10 SP! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ChicagoAJ Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 I'd like the FZ-10 SP!Hahaha, I wouldn't say no if it was free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member motomeek Posted October 14, 2016 Premium Member Share Posted October 14, 2016 2017 GSXR 1000 was announced today....http://www.suzukicycles.com/Product%20Lines/Cycles/Products/GSX-R1000/2017/GSXR1000R.aspx Instagram: @meekmade | You don't need to flat foot a bike to ride it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ChicagoAJ Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 That was announced like 2 weeks ago, haha. Love that giant exhaust... What the hell were they thinking?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rxSpeeD Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 That was announced like 2 weeks ago, haha. Love that giant exhaust... What the hell were they thinking?!?! What you do is, as soon as you buy the bike, you take that can off and throw it in the trash and straight pipe it. I think it says so in the gixxer user manual. At least that's what all the gixxer riders do in my neighborhood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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