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Didn't need either. Getting the old damper tube out sucked though. I ended up driving a bit of pine down into it from the top. That gave me something to hold it with.  
And of course that meant a lot of cleansing and flushing. I hate not having the proper tools to do something.
 
I went an extra two clicks soft on all the adjusters
(Btw I put the nix22 on and changed to the ohlins rear shock).
 
It's a very pleasant, compliant, easy to like suspension. Installing it will remove a lot of suck from the bike.
 
Worth the price of admission.
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I've got 4 kits. What I can't seem to find is time to tear them apart and do a review.
 

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Merde the peer pressure! I'll just tell @weazsel that the "interests of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one".
 
JK!! your forks will be done before I crack the NIX

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Merde the peer pressure! I'll just tell @weazsel that the "interests of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one". 
JK!! your forks will be done before I crack the NIX
I'm getting the shakes every morning from the withdrawals.

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Bringing a whole new meaning to stripping a fork porn...
 

Go forth and modify my son...go forth and modify...

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Deddie on r3-forums.com posted a review of the NIX-22 system (along with a Penske shock) on his Yamaha R3. Here are the highlights:
 

[...]I have logged a lot of track miles over the past 10 years, and have used Ohlins components on a couple of track bikes. My preference on a suspension setup is something that provides excellent stability to give me confidence that I can push the bike hard.[...] The high speed stability of the bike is improved greatly in corners, but going over bumps while riding in a straight line caused much more jarring than I experienced with the stock suspension.[...] The first thing I noticed when I started out on my ride was that the bike turned in much quicker. I had become used to the slight drift when turning - and that was now gone. Additionally, the stiffer front end makes it much easier to be aggressive on the front brakes.[...] But the best part about this set up is how poised and controllable the bike is in high speed corners.[...] I was able to adjust my lines even at a decent lean angle when I spotted something in the road that I did not want my front tire to run over. Additionally, I had no issue with the bike not going a direction that I wanted it to go.[...]
 
Sounds like Ohlins may have succeeded where Andreani and Matris have failed.. delivering a system that performs well right out of the box. Deddie paid for professional installation and "setup to [his] weight".. but I'm guessing that just means spring rate selection.. not revalving. I wish he'd elaborate more on the "jarring" ride quality over straight-line bumps, maybe I'll prod him for more details. I understand some ride quality has to be sacrificed to achieve the improved control under aggressive riding. In any case, coming from a rider with 10 years of experience and "a lot of track miles" I think this is altogether high praise.
 
Here's the full review: http://www.r3-forums.com/forum/562-suspension/116161-installed-tested-ohlins-nix-22-penske-shock.html
 
 
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I wish he'd elaborate more on the "jarring" ride quality over straight-line bumps, maybe I'll prod him for more details. I understand some ride quality has to be sacrificed to achieve the improved control under aggressive riding.
 
And for a counter-point, admittedly from the FZ09 + Andreani with Matt's fixes camp:
 
"I finally got to take it out for a ride last night after being on the stands for 2+ weeks. All I can say is WOW. It was cool and wet out following a rain, so couldn't push it too hard, but I can definitely see my tires being the next hindrance (Continental ContiMotion. Bleh.) It holds the road infinitely better than it did. It's weird to say, but riding it almost felt.... boring. Probably because on the twisty/bumpy circuit I was using for testing, I didn't fear for my life on every corner. Pot holes, road cracks, railroad tracks can all be felt mildly through the handlebars, but don't upset the suspension on corners."
http://www.fz09.org/forum/14-fz-09-performance-suspension/16458-forks-matt-andreani-cartridge-upgrade-thread.html
 
I quote it simply to say that jarring/harshness for street is a lazy trade off - the suspension provider didn't spend the time to study the product on offer, evaluate it for suitability to use case, and then make any necessary adjustments. Admittedly this isn't uncommon in one-size fits all products and especially in 'compromised for cost' like the NIX-22 and Andreani. I'm sure I can rectify the shortcomings of the NIX-22 and -30. The expedient and "good enough" solution may well be to just run a lighter oil.
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Could it just be that the NIX and Andreani's intended use case is the track, not the street? They both offer simpler/faster tuning changes, in that only one leg need be disassembled if only one phase (compression OR rebound) needs tuning. Yet by cramming all the compression control into a single mid-valve they are hydraulically-limiting compared to a basevalve setup. But on a smooth racetrack that's not an issue.
 
I see now (in the linked fz09.org thread) that Andreani was probably lazy with their compression mid-valve piston design. Hopefully Ohlins at least did a better job there.
 
Does adding a blowoff basevalve seem like a viable solution to the NIX kit?
 
Can't wait to see your teardown impressions of the NIX-22 kit.. and be rid of these emulators!
 
 

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"track use only" is mostly a dodge to get past regulators which can be a tedious and expensive process (time and money). Though it's not unreasonable to say they only tested the setups on the track and thus didn't design for street duty. But for any sufficiently bumpy track, the faults will still come to the fore.

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Well let's see how the tear down goes...
 
It sounds like all the MT07 kits have some compromises, so I will just have to select the kit that has the least issues it seems...

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Well let's see how the tear down goes...  
It sounds like all the MT07 kits have some compromises, so I will just have to select the kit that has the least issues it seems...
Hmm, I dunno, I feel like the Traxxion Dynamics AK20 Cartridge Kit doesn't have any compromises, but then again, I believe you have to send your forks to them for installation...so if something had to be "fixed" it's likely they do it upon install and the end user would never know.
 
I'm surprised Traxxion Dynamics doesn't come up more often in these suspension threads...seems to be a very high quality product and loved by many.
 
Having said that though, I can't wait to see how the Ohlins NIX-22 works out...looks like it could be a viable solution...
 
:)
 
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Traxxion is a fully custom shop - they build per order. How much they tweak the valving one way or another I can't say but it's not like a mass-produced item (Matris, Andreani, Ohlins) where you get what you get, just with different springs in the box. Yes the AK20 is a very nice bit of kit, just a bit dear for some.

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Reports are coming in and it is quite clear that the NIX22 has the same issues as seen in the Andreani kit. So there is a risk that work needs to be done (reshimming, or lighter oil or...) if the customer isn't satisfied with the kit as delivered. I haven't started this work myself yet as I do not have a bike to fit the cartridges in. It will have to wait until someone needs the work done.

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Mh... thank you, @JanM.
Please, can you post a link, or a source for the comments that you've read?
I'm wondering why no one (Andreani, Matris, Öhlins) can do a proper cartridge for the road use...
Thank you again...

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No links, the info is from talking with shops and others working with suspension.
 
Lets see what Matt says when he gets around to analyse the kit.

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Ok, thank you @JanM!
Let's see the Matt report, when he can.

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Well let's see how the tear down goes...  
It sounds like all the MT07 kits have some compromises, so I will just have to select the kit that has the least issues it seems...
Not all, traxxion kit is great.  Than my :)
Rest I don't care about to even try. I won't even bother with all those Euro kits. 
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Well let's see how the tear down goes...  
It sounds like all the MT07 kits have some compromises, so I will just have to select the kit that has the least issues it seems...
Not all, traxxion kit is great.  Than my :)
Rest I don't care about to even try. I won't even bother with all those Euro kits. 
 
 
I love my Traxxion Dynamics AK20's also. The AK20's can be installed by the user, or have to be sent in for them to do the install. According to Traxxion's website, the FZ-07 application REQUIRES you to send your forks to them so they can do the install, so I wonder what's so different that it can't be done at home by the user and if that's the reason they are so good "out of the box".
 
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They can be installed by user if user knows what he is doing. For most forks it is easy drop in but for this and some other forks tubes are modified and compression/rebound is separated between legs. Which means correct parts have to go in correct leg. Can't mix parts between legs like in most normal cartridges. It is best to send them in and get it done correct. They also have network of dealers/shops that can install as well. I am dealer for them and there are many around. I am sure they have places oversea as well.
I don't sell my, in house only. Once I put them in I know it is right and I am responsible for it.

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@twf could you please make a description and maybe add some pictures of the Traxxion AK-20 kit for FZ-07, preferably make a new thread so the info is easy to find?

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I took the NIX22 kit apart and had a look at the internals:
 
 
Cartridge parts (missing spring, guide, spacer):
 
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Piston assembly (compression side):
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