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fflier9
hey guys, was going to adjust chain tension tonight and now the axle bolt is stuck. When I was loosening it I adjusted the nuts on the right carrier to much and the wheel slipped side ways and the bolt stopped turning.  The wheel is back in alignment  but will not tighten or loosen. The wheel can move in alignment.  It gives maybe 1/2 turn either way. It is stuck. Please help../ :(
 

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fflier9
tried to move it back and forth to slowly loosen it. Then noticed damage on the right side carrier, inside, from applying too much torque. I f**cked up big time. some pics posted below
 

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No Hater
post some pics if you can. someone may be able to give you some needed advice.

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fflier9
I went for a walk, had to step away. Good thing I can walk to work/school.
 
Unfortunately, there's not a whole lot to take pictures of.
 
http://imgur.com/a/2PYvw
 
I tried spaying some grease on the nut/exposed threads, nothing. Still the same 1/4 turn of travel before it locks in both directions. If I keep wrenching on it, the right carrier will get completely destroyed and the swingarm will start to become damaged as well.
 
I have noticed that on the nut there is sort of a metal flange that goes around the outside, and part of it is sticking up. Kind of hard to see in the pics. The part I'm talking about is on the top of the nut in the pictures. Is that normal, could it be causing the nut to lock?
 
I'm just totally confused as to why the nut is frozen like this. This is the second chain adjustment at 3k miles, the first one went off without a hitch.
 
Any/ all advice would be greatly appreciated, thanks.
 

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jake
The nut is a locking nut. not sure if you over tightened it or what (get a torque wrench). I would loosen the adjustment screws make sure the wheel is in line and you are going to have to get that nut loose. Hopefully you didn't damage the the shaft but you might need a new nut.
 
I'd take to the dealer because sound like you need help.
 
Something doesn't look right, there is marks where it looks like YOU f'ed something up.
 

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bmwpowere36m3
There's nothing unusual about the first few pics... its a "fuji-style" locking nut, the little metal tangs in front of the nut sitting on the threads of the axle. However the last few pics indicate something was over-torqued, either the nut was tightened too much or it seized and too much torque was applied when trying to remove it. The swingarm is marred where the axle block rotated and contacted; as well as the "flats" on the axle block are deformed from the axle-end rotating.
 
There was another member with a similar issue, except in his case he was able to remove the nut (with a LOT of force)... but the threads on the axle were severely deformed. I would soak the nut/threads with penetrating oil, like: PB-Blaster, Kroil, etc... (NOT WD-40, at least the "regular" one) and remove the nut with either a large breaker bar or better yet, impact gun. Then asses the damage. Either the nut was over-torqued, debris got in the threads, or the nut seized to the axle.
 
Luckily, I had no issue removing my axle nut (did it when the bike had barely any miles and no expose to water) and applied anti-seize (sparingly) to the threads and torqued nut to ~70 ft-lbs.

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Beemer
If it were mine I would use my propane torch and heat up that nut to make it expand and use a torque wrench on it. If no torque wrench try slipping a metal pipe ( 12" - 24"L x 1" diam.) over the handle of a ratchet, that used to work great for me as a breaker bar but don't force it too much. Other than that, I'd take it to a shop.

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cndnmax
If it were mine I would use my propane torch and heat up that nut to make it expand and use a torque wrench on it. If no torque wrench try slipping a metal pipe ( 12" - 24"L x 1" diam.) over the handle of a ratchet, that used to work great for me as a breaker bar but don't force it too much. Other than that, I'd take it to a shop.
 
Torque wrenches should never be used to loosen up bolts, only tighten.
Use a beaker bar then replace the axle, lock nut, and the damaged block on the brake side.
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fflier9
There was another member with a similar issue, except in his case he was able to remove the nut (with a LOT of force)... but the threads on the axle were severely deformed. I would soak the nut/threads with penetrating oil, like: PB-Blaster, Kroil, etc... (NOT WD-40, at least the "regular" one) and remove the nut with either a large breaker bar or better yet, impact gun. Then asses the damage. Either the nut was over-torqued, debris got in the threads, or the nut seized to the axle.
How much force are you talking about? Much more force and the carrier is going to pop out of its groove and begin to rotate freely. I also don't want to mar the swingarm any more. But, will get breaker bar and see if I can get it loose. I just want to get it apart at this point to see what's what 

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pattonme
Yeah wow, what a stupid-ass design. Someone with "artistic" tendencies thought they'd play engineer... Must have stayed at a Motel 6.
 
I'm afraid there is no answer you're going to like. If you can, get it to a Yam dealer and let THEM fuck the swing arm up even more. That way it's a warranty replacement.

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rick
The swingers probably not damaged. If you need to replace that axle adjuster, those parts, like many on this bike, are actually not that expensive. They are left and right speicific (as well as up/down). So make sure you get the right one if you choose to replace.
 
Sounds like you galled the axle threads. Like BMWPOWER mentioned, we saw another axle with damaged threads.
 
So, lubricate - heat if need be - and then work the nut in and out and in and out using a large wrench (no - do not use any torque) until it's worked off. The axle will likely be fubar and you'll want a new nut as well.
 
If that doesn't work, there's always a Dremel with a cutting wheel. Split the nut in half. If you do this, make sure there are no rough edges on the axle before pulling it thru the wheel bearings and seals.
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fflier9
That's what I was afraid of...goddamn. all I was trying to do was adjust the chain. I will try penetrating oil and a breaker bar first, I think maybe I can brace the bracket with a little piece of wood against the swingarm to even the force instead of it just being in those corners...

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fflier9
The swingers probably not damaged. If you need to replace that axle adjuster, those parts, like many on this bike, are actually not that expensive. They are left and right speicific (as well as up/down). So make sure you get the right one if you choose to replace.  
Sounds like you galled the axle threads. Like BMWPOWER mentioned, we saw another axle with damaged threads.
 
So, lubricate - heat if need be - and then work the nut in and out and in and out using a large wrench (no - do not use any torque) until it's worked off. The axle will likely be fubar and you'll want a new nut as well.
 
If that doesn't work, there's always a Dremel with a cutting wheel. Split the nut in half. If you do this, make sure there are no rough edges on the axle before pulling it thru the wheel bearings and seals.
No, they're not that expensive...I looked last night and was definitely surprised. Axle+nut+right side swingarm bracket came out to like $65, so if I can only get it apart, it won't be too expensive of a lesson... 
I'm not sure that you mean by a large wench. You mean a regular socket?
 
I thought about the dremel thing too but would probably then need a left side swingarm bracket (not that big of a deal) as well since I'd end up accidentally screwing it up...quarters are too close inside there.
 

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Guest Ralph
If you give it to much stick the axle will turn in the cast bracket and destroy it.

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pattonme
That cast bracket is already toast IMO. If there is enough lateral slop in the axle, put a wrench on the 2 flats so at least you can hold onto the axle while trying to get the nut off.
If Yam had designed the swingarm to have a square edge instead of "sexy" rounded, the 4-finger thingy would at least have a decent surface to torque against.
 
I guess there's an opportunity here for someone (not me) to dispense with the "Daytona quick-change axle" look (seriously, why?) and make plain axle blocks with a matching rounded contour as the swingarm.
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