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pattonme
My apologies to @jateureka I completely missed his thread. - http://fz07.org/thread/1347
 
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OE spring is ? long, ?mm ID => Eibach 0x00.225.0650  
 
Ohlins YA419 (S46DR1) aka Parts Unlimited 13101147: $648
Length 312mm, Stroke 61mm, Rate 115N/mm=11.7kg/mm=650lb/in
[ul type=disc][*]http://www.parts-unlimited.com/products/?productId=254196&partNumber=13101147[*]Forks-by-Matt - take off $100[*]NorWest Suspension
[*]https://www.omniaracing.net/en/andreani-kit-advanced-cartridge-shock-absorber-ohlins-for-yamaha-2014-p-20144.html[*]http://store.58cycle.com/OHLINS_YA_419_Shock_Ohlins_Ya_419_p/pu-pn-1310-1147.htm[/ul]
 
Penske Sport aka 8900E (PS-89xx-FZ07): $695
Penske 8983 (2-way) : $950
Penske 8987 (3-way) : $1250
[ul type=disc][*]http://shop.penskeshocks.com/8900-SERIES-FZ07[*]Traxxion Dynamics[*]StoltecMoto - $695 w/ fork springs[*]Hordpower (hordboy)[/ul]
 
Bitubo XXF11 : $970
  product info
[ul type=disc][*]bellissimoto - $825
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Matris MY120.1KD : $560
[ul type=disc][*]http://www.pjsparts.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=5455[*]http://www.carpimoto.it/en-US/43952_MY120-1KD-Matris-Rear-Shock-Absorber-for-Yamaha-MT-07-.htm
[*]Forks-by-Matt (pattonme) - $500[/ul]
 
K-tech Razor-R : $795
K-Tech Razor-Lite : $495
  product info, no comp/reservoir on 'Lite'[ul type=disc][*]Forks-by-Matt (pattonme)[*]Hordpower (hordboy)[/ul]
 
JRi '350 Pro' : $600
JRi 'Double' : $985
  product info[ul type=disc][*]Forks-by-Matt (pattonme) - $545 / $857[*]Hordpower (hordboy)[/ul]
 
 
Hyperpro YA07-5AE : $569
Hyperpro YA07-1AE : $749
  product info, application guide
[span]    comes with 5 year warranty and coupon for free 1st rebuild service
[span]    Hydraulic preload adjuster : $199
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[ul type=disc][*]EPM Performance; info@epmperf.com; Phone: 732-786-9777[*]Forks-by-Matt - $485 / $640[/ul]
 
Wilburs 640-1141-xx (RM04) : $529
  product info, +25, -20, -40 seat height
  add $80 for height adjuster
  add $205 for remote preload
[ul type=disc][*]Forks-by-Matt - $450[*]Wilbers USA[*]Wilbers America
[*]EPM Performance; info@epmperf.com; Phone: 732-786-9777[/ul]
 
Nitron Sport (NTR1) : $699
Nitron Track (NTR2) : $1100
Nitron Race (NTR3) : $1200
Nitron Race Pro (NTR4) : N/A
  product info[ul type=disc][*]Forks-by-Matt (pattonme) : x / y / z[*]Hordpower (hordboy) : ?[*]NorWest Suspension (@norwest )
[*]http://propilotsuspension.com/index.php/nitron-shocks
[*]http://www.bikehps.com/acatalog/Nitron_Shock_Absorbers_for_Yamaha_Motorcycles.html[/ul]
 
Hagon M62092 : $350
  product info
[span]    Adjustable rebound and customized spring[/span]
[ul type=disc][*]Hagon Shocks USA
[*]NorWest Suspension (norwest)[/ul]
 
YSS MZ506-310TRL-39 : $499 (10,500BHAT = $300)
  product info
[span]    Adjustable rebound and length but no spring customization (go 3rd party)
[ul type=disc][*]YSS USA[*]Bikerz Bits (Thailand, exports world-wide)
[*]EPM Performance ; info@epmperf.com; Phone: 732-786-9777[*]Beemer Shop
[/ul]
Yacugar ?SKU? : $xxx
    waiting on details
[ul type=disc][*]http://www.yacugar.com/[*]Beemer Shop
[*]retailer 1[/ul]
 
 
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pattonme
From a purely length and stroke standpoint the following are swap candidates. HOWEVER!! the clevis, spring rate, and reservoir location may preclude their use without significant alterations.
 
Most modern parts are 325-340mm long and designed to be used in a linkage. Their bodies aren't long enough to make up the difference in stroke. So you end up with the rear-end much higher and trying to run a softer spring to cheat. Trying to figure out valving would be tough since direct-action vs linkage result in dramatically different shaft speeds.
 
Hmm, we might actually have a winner!
 
[ul type=disc][*]1992-95 GSXR750 (312, 67) - spring is half so OEM valving useless[*]*2007-08 GSXR1000 (315, 70?) - 10.1kg/mm ; possible[*]2006-07 GSXR600/750 (317-320, ?) - 9.4kg/mm; absolutely needs revalve and respring[/ul][ul type=disc][*]**2004-06 CBR1000RR (314, 58) - 12kg/mm[*]2008-11 CBR1000RR (??) - 12kg/mm; eyelets only won't work[*]*2003-06 CBR600RR (314, 60) - 11kg/mm; nee Ohlins HO 502 (46PRXLS)[/ul][div]some pics http://www.peterverdone.com/archive/05shock.htm
 
[/div][ul type=disc][*][span style=font-size:medium]2006-07 YZFR6 (292, 59) nee Ohlins YA606 - internal lengthening won't make up 20mm shortfall.
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However, something like this could work (http://www.yzf600r.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=53280). Need Yamaha parts 190109/90109-12011-00, 190185-12119-00/95617-12100
 
[/span][/span][span style=font-size:medium;background-color:transparent]Another idea is to make a special purpose block for the top end of the shock (post style) which can allow ride-height adjustment.
 
http://www.fz09.org/forum/54-fz-07-forum/5811-skunk-werkz-fz-07-penske-rear-shock-added.html
 
 
[/span][*][span style=font-size:medium;background-color:transparent][span style=font-size:16px;background-color:transparent]2008-1? YZFR6 (295, 60)
[span style=background-color:transparent]2008-1? YZFR1 (300, 65) - spring much weaker than equiv R6[/span]
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JA50N
I believe Nitron also makes a rear shock for the FZ/MT-07
 
 

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hobbs
If it were possible, I'd be keen to send my shock in and have it reworked to perform a little better. I think traxxion did this for someone but I haven't looked into it yet.
 
I'm approaching the ceiling on what I planned to spend on aftermarket chit for my bike. So something super affordable is my main interest.
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pantheraleo
If it were possible, I'd be keen to send my shock in and have it reworked to perform a little better. I think traxxion did this for someone but I haven't looked into it yet. 
I'm approaching the ceiling on what I planned to spend on aftermarket chit for my bike. So something super affordable is my main interest.
I swapped my GS500 stock shock out for a Katana 600 shock. It was a super cheap, but great rear suspension upgrade.
 
I'm hoping some of the above will work just as well.
 
I also installed Sonic Springs in the forks with 15w fork oil. These two projects cost under 200 total and made a big handling difference.
 
I would prefer to install a potential remedy myself to save down time on my bike.

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kamalv
Thank you for building this list. Gives a newcomer like me at least a starting point. I was supposed to send in my shock for re-valving and re-spring to Traxxion until the weather interfered to stop all plans of going outside. But now I will take a second look at all these available options.

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pantheraleo
From a purely length and stroke standpoint the following are swap candidates. HOWEVER!! the clevis, spring rate, and reservoir location may preclude their use without significant alterations. 
Most modern parts are 325-340mm long and designed to be used in a linkage. Their bodies aren't long enough to make up the difference in stroke. So you end up with the rear-end much higher and trying to run a softer spring to cheat. Trying to figure out valving would be tough since direct-action vs linkage result in dramatically different shaft speeds.
 
Hmm, we might actually have a winner!
 
[ul type=disc][*]1992-95 GSXR750 (312, 67) - spring is half so OEM valving useless[*]2007-08 GSXR1000 (315, 70?) - 10.1kg/mm ; possible[*]2006-07 GSXR600/750 (317-320, ?) - 9.4kg/mm OEM spring, borderline[/ul][ul type=disc][*]2004-06 CBR1000RR (314, 58) - 12kg/mm[*]2008-11 CBR1000RR (??) - 12kg/mm; eyelets only won't work[*]2003-06 CBR600RR (314, 60) - 11kg/mm; nee Ohlins HO 502 (46PRXLS)[/ul][div]some pics http://www.peterverdone.com/archive/05shock.htm
 
[/div][ul type=disc][*][span style=font-size:medium]2006-07 YZFR6 (292, 59) nee Ohlins YA606 - internal lengthening won't make up 20mm shortfall.
[span style=background-color:transparent]
However, something like this could work (http://www.yzf600r.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=53280). Need Yamaha parts 190109/90109-12011-00, 190185-12119-00/95617-12100
 
[/span][/span][span style=font-size:medium;background-color:transparent]Another idea is to make a special purpose block for the top end of the shock (post style) which can allow ride-height adjustment.
 
[/span][*][span style=font-size:medium;background-color:transparent][span style=font-size:16px;background-color:transparent]2008-1? YZFR6 (295, 60)
[span style=background-color:transparent]2008-1? YZFR1 (300, 65) - spring much weaker than equiv R6[/span]
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So which of these do you recommend, sir?

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pattonme
> So which of these do you recommend, sir?
 
I bolded the entries for that purpose. The GSXR1000's arrangement of the bladder probably has the best chance of fitting. Next the CBR1000. But until someone actually tries to see if it'll fit without needing major cutouts in the battery box or what have you, nothing is for certain. I don't own a FZ07 or I'd do it myself. I can try to troll Northern VA for someone with one...
 
The best shock would be something with a remote reservoir connected by hose. But there isn't much in that category that doesn't date back to the mid-90's or early 200x. And for sure the valving won't be set up for the kind of spring rate needed.
 
 
I realize it's tempting to cut corners. But if you get yourself a $50 shock, you're not very smart if you don't spend the money to get it flushed and rebuilt with wear items replaced. So maybe it costs $350-400 when all said and done.
 
If the Nitron prices are correct (I converted from GB to USD based on BikeHPS' website) then those are a damn good bargain IMO.

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fromthecage
Yep, those Nitron's look pretty impressive

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Guest unknown
Just a heads up, the prices on bikehps's site are in British pounds, not euros! That makes the NTR2 about 800 bucks shipped to the US which is more in line with the penske pricing.

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gregjet
Had my first semi solid ride on the Nitron yesterday with the rear raised 25mm. WAY!!!! better front end feel in corners. Still a bit harsh and I haven't put the gold valves in but substantially better. Need to set the rear properly and retry. Had a huge rear slide in first serious corner. Thought "Wow the reflash has really upped the power" . Then I got home and found I had chainlube overspray on the edge of the tyre. Women always say we blokes can't aim properly...
I will reset the retry then put the gold valves in.
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evfz
Ordered Ohlins YA419 from 58Cycle but was not asked about rider weight for spring. Looks like this shock comes standard with a spring rate of 115 N/mm. With gear, I weigh about 190lbs - is the standard spring ok?

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pattonme
best to ask an ohlins suspension guy. I would contact david@fastbikeindustries since he's an Ohlins tech and familiar with the FZ07. My guess is that at 190 you're probably fine with the standard spring. Shame 58Cycle didn't inquire...

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evfz
best to ask an ohlins suspension guy. I would contact david@fastbikeindustries since he's an Ohlins tech and familiar with the FZ07. My guess is that at 190 you're probably fine with the standard spring. Shame 58Cycle didn't inquire...
 
thanks for the contact. Email sent - I'll share his response.

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Here is David (from Fastbike Industries) response:
 
Thanks for contacting me. You are correct, the std spring on that shock is rated at 115N/mm and would suit 190lb rider with gear really well. With the manual preload adjustable you can fine tune the sag to your liking.
 
 

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pattonme
EPM performance (supplier of Hyperpro and Wilburs) is offering a Spring season discount
 
Hyperpro - $50 off shock and 50 off hydrolic-preload (date unknown)
Wilburs - $70 off shocks until June 21
 

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rowdy
I've got a Matris rear shock on the way. Should be here in a little over a week (shipping from Italy).
Any got any tips or good links for doing the install?

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howlinhoss
I wonder if we can add an adjustable compression circuit to the Ohlins shock.
 
I am shopping around for a good price on a 3 way shock. JRi is pretty nice from what I have read.
 
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rick
I've got a Matris rear shock on the way. Should be here in a little over a week (shipping from Italy). Any got any tips or good links for doing the install?
There really are just 2 bolts to deal with. But you'll need to get the little plastic hugger thing out of the way to get at the rear mount. There's one plastic fastener on the right side of that thing that must be unscrewed. That can be a pita to do. It goes back in just by pushing it straight in, so once it's out, it's a breeze to put back in.   
Your biggest obstacle will be holding the weight of the bike up. Unless you have a centerstand, that's gonna take some creativity. You can't use a track stand or the swingarm.
 
I have a chain hoist attached to ceiling joists in my garage for these chores. I'd run a towing strap thru the frame somewhere near the footpeg brackets (the side plastics have to come off) and lift until the wheel is just barely off the ground (don't need to touch the wheel btw) and then put a jack under the motor just for stability and a little extra security
 
Then it's just a matter of unbolting the old and putting in the new. If you want, you can break those bolts loose with it still on the ground. 
 
 
 
 
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EPM performance (supplier of Hyperpro and Wilburs) is offering a Spring season discount 
Hyperpro - $50 off shock and 50 off hydrolic-preload (date unknown)
Wilburs - $70 off shocks until June 21

Wiburs makes a pretty nice shock. Lots of guys put them on the Futura way back and were very happy. Even with 70 bucks off, quality doesn't come cheap. 

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pattonme
Put a beefy rod thru the swing-arm pivot, the ends of which rest on standard jack stands assuming they go high enough or put blocks under them.

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pattonme
I wonder if we can add an adjustable compression circuit to the Ohlins shock.
Yes, but you'll need a shock specialist to do it. You'll need a remote reservoir, hose, bladder, valving, adjuster... Just buy the JRi or any of the others that come with the features you desire. 

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rick
Put a beefy rod thru the swing-arm pivot, the ends of which rest on standard jack stands assuming they go high enough or put blocks under them.
hmm, I think the pivot bolt is a solid lump on this bike. 
That would work on my Priller. It's got a nice big hole thru the middle It has a centerstand OE, so that would be necessary - They do come in handy. 
 
 
 

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rowdy
So someone on the FZ-09 forums mention turning the pegs upside down and then using the rear spool lift and putting jack stands under the pegs.
They also said that you would have to replace one of the peg pins? Anyone know anything about that technique? (It's tools I already own). :)

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pattonme
I guess that could work. I'm just not overly happy with putting ~400lb on a footpeg, it's pivot pin nor the "rearsets" that's only designed to support ~250 and for brief moments at that. (do you ride with your butt in the air and thus the pegs taking all your weight?)
 
Can you get away with it? I expect so.

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