What should I do when I have to race on track with MT-09/10

[Kasichol]

     Hello every 07 guys. My name's Boom from Thailand. In Thailand have a race call "Yamaha championship". I have join in "MT 680 up" A  class. I have to race with MT-09 and MT-10. 
    My question is. How can i upgrade my bike (MT-07 sky color in pics). i need my bike fast as same as MT-09 stock. I so confidence if it is possible. I can win all of them

At Chang International Circuit my best lab time is 1:56.874 with top speed only 204.8 km/h and I got 7th

For 1st (MT-10) best lab time 1:50.350 with top speed 245.2 km/h

If my bike able to get top speed around 230 km/h it should be pretty good. 

Can someone help me,

Please

[Kasichol]

Don't suggest me to get MT-09.

I love my bike

[mjh937]

I do not think you will get up to MT-09 performance as they have so much more power.  A fairing kit would help with top speed as it would improve the aerodynamics.  If your could modify the 689 cc engine to match the MT-09 (maybe a turbo kit) you would end up spending a lot of money and sacrificing reliability and probably ridability . 

[Kasichol]

30 minutes ago, mjh937 said:

I do not think you will get up to MT-09 performance as they have so much more power.  A fairing kit would help with top speed as it would improve the aerodynamics.  If your could modify the 689 cc engine to match the MT-09 (maybe a turbo kit) you would end up spending a lot of money and sacrificing reliability and probably ridability . 

How about I change the piston up to 7xx cc and adjust the input system something like a nozzle or throttle. Can I get about 90+ hp?

[Kasichol]

37 minutes ago, mjh937 said:

I do not think you will get up to MT-09 performance as they have so much more power.  A fairing kit would help with top speed as it would improve the aerodynamics.  If your could modify the 689 cc engine to match the MT-09 (maybe a turbo kit) you would end up spending a lot of money and sacrificing reliability and probably ridability . 

A fairing kit is not allow in this tournament.

[Mad]

I would say pistons/rods and turbo  but the problems are the rules and cost, with everything allowed I would go with the easiest and dirtiest ways.. I run methanol on my time attack 595 Abarth but if allowed in my category I would have been blatantly running nitrous .... 

 

[M. Hausknecht]

It is possible to get nearly 90ph very reliably and mid-90s less reliably (or rather, with more frequent rebuilds) on decent race fuel. More importantly, how optimized is your suspension/tire system?

[stickshift]

What intake setup are you running? The Hordpower intake gives a good peak horsepower gain as well as shifting the power curve up. The stock air box is really detrimental to track performance.

Easy way to improve top speed if that’s your concern.

Edited November 13, 2021 by stickshift

[Weeksy]

The Mt 09 is night and day quicker. Then adding in things like slipper clutch etc means you're very much not on an even footing.

Sell bike, buy mt09.

No one else cares you're on an 07, the only thing they care about is your finish position. Even then, they only care you beat them.

Unless you're 13 years old, you won't be called by Red Bull, it's just you and your memories 20 years down the line telling your kids "I could have been a contender if my bike was quicker" they're sitting thinking "why didn't you just get a quicker bike dad"

Sorry to be blunt. But when racing, have a competitive bike. 

[Kasichol]

6 hours ago, Mad said:

I would say pistons/rods and turbo  but the problems are the rules and cost, with everything allowed I would go with the easiest and dirtiest ways.. I run methanol on my time attack 595 Abarth but if allowed in my category I would have been blatantly running nitrous .... 

 

I think i will try pistol and rod thank you. Did you have a suggest pistol and rod brand?

[Kasichol]

6 hours ago, M. Hausknecht said:

It is possible to get nearly 90ph very reliably and mid-90s less reliably (or rather, with more frequent rebuilds) on decent race fuel. More importantly, how optimized is your suspension/tire system?

I think for suspension is pretty good. I finding the way to get more power do you have any suggestion?

[Kasichol]

4 hours ago, stickshift said:

What intake setup are you running? The Hordpower intake gives a good peak horsepower gain as well as shifting the power curve up. The stock air box is really detrimental to track performance.

Easy way to improve top speed if that’s your concern.

I use DNA air box but i think have to modify the intake. Do you have the example of modifying?

[Kasichol]

1 hour ago, Weeksy said:

The Mt 09 is night and day quicker. Then adding in things like slipper clutch etc means you're very much not on an even footing.

Sell bike, buy mt09.

No one else cares you're on an 07, the only thing they care about is your finish position. Even then, they only care you beat them.

Unless you're 13 years old, you won't be called by Red Bull, it's just you and your memories 20 years down the line telling your kids "I could have been a contender if my bike was quicker" they're sitting thinking "why didn't you just get a quicker bike dad"

Sorry to be blunt. But when racing, have a competitive bike. 

Thank you you are change my mind May I know you more do you have any social like a facebook or IG 

[Weeksy]

5 hours ago, Kasichol said:

Thank you you are change my mind May I know you more do you have any social like a facebook or IG 

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[M. Hausknecht]

6 hours ago, Kasichol said:

I think for suspension is pretty good. I finding the way to get more power do you have any suggestion?

From personal experience I've learned that to race competitively against typically heavier motorcycles with more horsepower and torque, you'll need to get through the corners quicker than they do. Your quicker corner exit speed will help to offset your relative lack of acceleration and lower top speed. In contemporary MotoGP terms, think Yamaha versus Ducati.  This is why I mentioned suspension and tires. The stock suspension on an 07 is fine on the street but the geometry is far from ideal for racing, and the forks and shock need to be altered or replaced outright to give you more damping and adjustability. There are many postings here with extensive discussions about the options for optimizing the suspension. Then you'll also want to us the highest grip tires allowed by the rules, and to make the bike as light as possible (my 07 weighs about 330 pounds with full bodywork and a gallon of fuel). 

An 07 motor can be built to get the bike to 230kph (143mph), but its going to need a  long straight to get there. And it is going to be expensive to build and operate (race gas, frequent rebuilds). Engine-wise: high compression pistons (12.5 or 13:1); connecting rods (Carrillo); high lift, longer duration camshafts; heavy duty valve springs; ported head; bored throttlebodies; at least a Hordpower intake or better, a sealed airbox with ducting from front of motorcycle; lightened flywheel and sprag; undercut and shimmed transmission gears; slipper clutch, a fully-tunable ECU with quick-shift, and a quality exhaust system. To have a motor built like this in the U.S., I'd budget $8000 to $10,0000 if I couldn't do the build myself. Check out these websites for parts and other info:  

Robem Engineering | Lightweight Twins Racing| United States

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Custom Engineered Road Race solutions for lightweight twins racing. Winning results in both MotoAmerica and Club Level racing...

 https://www.twfracing.com/ ;

HPR - Hordpower, Art of Twins

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HPR - Hordpower : - Hawk SV 650 RC-51 Penske Shocks Triumph 675 Daytona Batteries Yamaha FZ-09/07 honda, suzuki, hawk, sv...

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Spears Enterprises / Spears Racing World Headquarters

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Spears Enterprises & Spears Racing

 

And even with all this, you're going to have to ride  better than your competition with more power to beat them. It just might be easier, cheaper and more fun to just get a bigger HP bike. Good luck!

Edited November 13, 2021 by M. Hausknecht

[Kasichol]

On 11/13/2021 at 9:28 PM, M. Hausknecht said:

From personal experience I've learned that to race competitively against typically heavier motorcycles with more horsepower and torque, you'll need to get through the corners quicker than they do. Your quicker corner exit speed will help to offset your relative lack of acceleration and lower top speed. In contemporary MotoGP terms, think Yamaha versus Ducati.  This is why I mentioned suspension and tires. The stock suspension on an 07 is fine on the street but the geometry is far from ideal for racing, and the forks and shock need to be altered or replaced outright to give you more damping and adjustability. There are many postings here with extensive discussions about the options for optimizing the suspension. Then you'll also want to us the highest grip tires allowed by the rules, and to make the bike as light as possible (my 07 weighs about 330 pounds with full bodywork and a gallon of fuel). 

An 07 motor can be built to get the bike to 230kph (143mph), but its going to need a  long straight to get there. And it is going to be expensive to build and operate (race gas, frequent rebuilds). Engine-wise: high compression pistons (12.5 or 13:1); connecting rods (Carrillo); high lift, longer duration camshafts; heavy duty valve springs; ported head; bored throttlebodies; at least a Hordpower intake or better, a sealed airbox with ducting from front of motorcycle; lightened flywheel and sprag; undercut and shimmed transmission gears; slipper clutch, a fully-tunable ECU with quick-shift, and a quality exhaust system. To have a motor built like this in the U.S., I'd budget $8000 to $10,0000 if I couldn't do the build myself. Check out these websites for parts and other info:  

Robem Engineering | Lightweight Twins Racing| United States

---

Custom Engineered Road Race solutions for lightweight twins racing. Winning results in both MotoAmerica and Club Level racing...

 https://www.twfracing.com/ ;

HPR - Hordpower, Art of Twins

---

HPR - Hordpower : - Hawk SV 650 RC-51 Penske Shocks Triumph 675 Daytona Batteries Yamaha FZ-09/07 honda, suzuki, hawk, sv...

;

Spears Enterprises / Spears Racing World Headquarters

---

Spears Enterprises & Spears Racing

 

And even with all this, you're going to have to ride  better than your competition with more power to beat them. It just might be easier, cheaper and more fun to just get a bigger HP bike. Good luck!

Thank you for many many information.