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elmo

Agree with cornerslider, standalone back protector under jacket / suit is worth the minimal cost to protect the spine, may need to up size jacket/ suit. Been down 3 times, the last was 2 years ago with 3-day hospital stay. Since then no crashes, bought the Alpine Stars Tech-Air Race airbag and jacket and pants. High price, and hope I never need it, but much cheaper than hospital bills, surgery's and loss of work. The external air vest are also option for extra protection.

2020 schedule- 60 available track days in northern Cal, Sonoma, Laguna Seca, and Thunder Hill and  hoping to get 8-10 days this year. Be safe.

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fzar
48 minutes ago, elmo said:

Agree with cornerslider, standalone back protector under jacket

Can someone explain what is meant by standalone back protecter, its been mentioned by a few people on this thread and I don't know what it means. The standalone part to be specific.

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11 minutes ago, fzar said:

Can someone explain what is meant by standalone back protecter, its been mentioned by a few people on this thread and I don't know what it means. The standalone part to be specific.

I believe it is worn like a girdle and goes under the suit or jacket. It is not integrated. Correct me if I’m wrong. 
 

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cornerslider
3 hours ago, 1tondriver said:

I believe it is worn like a girdle and goes under the suit or jacket. It is not integrated. Correct me if I’m wrong. 
 

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You are correct  😎👍🏼

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mossrider

You guys got it. The standard foam pads common in jackets and suits are fine and offer a measure of safety but their main benefit is convenience. They are always there and stay in the jacket when you don and doff it, hang it on a chair etc. The stand alone variety is more protective due to their larger more comprehensive design. They are usually a combination of foam lined hard shell exoskeleton and much larger than the standard styles, covering the spine from base of neck to tailbone.

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In the pic above you can see it under Mitch's suit. Protective but annoying for a street rider in day to day use. Bellow you can see the coverage offered from the outline of the exoskeleton under my wet suit. The yoke keeps the back protector in place and in contact with the body its supposed to be protecting when you're bouncing around in the ditch and the jacket/suit is flapping, twisting and pulling around on your body. Very comforting to know when I throw it all away the skid to a stop becomes part of the fun, not part of a bad ending. 

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1tondriver

I found these A*’s SMX 5 on FB marketplace and can get them for $75. Worn only a couple of times and no scuffs or scratches. Good deal? I like the price...

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DewMan
4 minutes ago, 1tondriver said:

I found these A*’s SMX 5 on FB marketplace and can get them for $75. Worn only a couple of times and no scuffs or scratches. Good deal? I like the price...

 

IF they're the correct size and in as good of shape as advertised I'd say yes. 👍

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cornerslider
17 hours ago, 1tondriver said:

I found these A*’s SMX 5 on FB marketplace and can get them for $75. Worn only a couple of times and no scuffs or scratches. Good deal? I like the price...

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Those are decent boots, and the price is right. Alpinestars makes two versions on the SMX-5, waterproof and vented. Based on the picture, those appear to be the waterproof version. I had the vented version of the previous generation. Even with the "venting", they where still pretty warm in the summer time heat. I personally don't buy boots that aren't vented. I don't ride in the rain either-


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1tondriver
1 hour ago, cornerslider said:

Those are decent boots, and the price is right. Alpinestars makes two versions on the SMX-5, waterproof and vented. Based on the picture, those appear to be the waterproof version. I had the vented version of the previous generation. Even with the "venting", they where still pretty warm in the summer time heat. I personally don't buy boots that aren't vented. I don't ride in the rain either-

Thanks @cornerslider. These are the perforated version so hopefully not too hot. I don’t ride in the rain either if I can help it 👍🏻

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sorkyah

i need to sell off those supertech r's that i have now, gonna post up an ad here soon... cant decide on a price... sorry i highballed yout without realizing it there @1tondriver

 

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1tondriver
18 minutes ago, sorkyah said:

i need to sell off those supertech r's that i have now, gonna post up an ad here soon... cant decide on a price... sorry i highballed yout without realizing it there @1tondriver

 

All good @sorkyah 👍🏻 
I have not picked up the A*’s yet. Tossing around the idea of newer (better protection) gear due to circumstances. Still haven’t figured out how to explain to my wife yet without giving her the full story 🤔  
I just started doing some research and damn some gear is expensive!

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1tondriver

Does anybody have any experience with airbag gear of any kind? Likes/dislikes and god forbid have you been in a wreck with it? There seems to be a better selection but still a big investment from what I have seen. 

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fzar
5 hours ago, sorkyah said:

i need to sell off those supertech r's that i have now, gonna post up an ad here soon

Do it.

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1tondriver

I picked up the boots today and I think I got a real good deal, they are in great shape and fit well. 
So now I am thinking about upgrading the suit some and have been looking at these two. 
The Cortech is about $150 less that the Alpinestars. The reviews said the armor in the Alpinestars is better than the Cortech but both are CE. Both got great reviews. 
I am also thinking this spine protector would be a good idea. I would like to wear on the street sometimes as well but not look like Ricky Racer if possible. I don’t need every Mustang and Corvette wanting to “race” me.
Any first hand experience or thoughts are appreciated 👍
 

 

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DewMan
42 minutes ago, 1tondriver said:

 The reviews said the armor in the Alpinestars is better than the Cortech but both are CE.

 

They may both be CE but are they of the same level of CE? I replaced all the pads in my jacket and pants with CE level 2 pads for more protection even when my riding style is non-aggressive street riding.

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6 minutes ago, DewMan said:

They may both be CE but are they of the same level of CE? I replaced all the pads in my jacket and pants with CE level 2 pads for more protection even when my riding style is non-aggressive street riding.

I upgraded my back protector to level 2 on my street jacket, but that’s it. It does not specify which level on both suits so I will assume level 1. I really would like something that heavily protects the collar bones but I suspect only the airbag gear will do that. Thanks @DewMan

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DewMan
1 minute ago, 1tondriver said:

I upgraded my back protector to level 2 on my street jacket, but that’s it. It does not specify which level on both suits so I will assume level 1. I really would like something that heavily protects the collar bones but I suspect only the airbag gear will do that. Thanks @DewMan

I could be way off but from what I've read, I compare CE level 1 vs 2 the same as DOT vs SNELL in my mind. Level 1 is bare minimum pad and level 2 offer a much greater degree of protection.

 

I'm sure the real track riders here can tell you better than I the difference between the two levels. ✌️

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mossrider
Just now, 1tondriver said:

I upgraded my back protector to level 2 on my street jacket, but that’s it. It does not specify which level on both suits so I will assume level 1. I really would like something that heavily protects the collar bones but I suspect only the airbag gear will do that. Thanks @DewMan

First off, I'm no expert on squat. But I do see a lot of these various Leatt type restraint devices at all the tracks I frequent. They are designed to protect the C-spine and in doing so transfer crash energy over/around the collar bones to the chest and torso. I also know that the collar bone is one of the most common injuries (broken bones) at the race track. Many of my friends where one of these and they can be seen in many of the pics I post on this site. They are very common at trackday events and in club racing but as you move up to MotoAmerica, WSB, MotoGP for instance you don't see them as much, I suspect because you see many more airbag suits and vests and the like at the higher levels, presumably due to cost. I can't remember any of my buds going down and ending up with a busted clavicle while wearing one of these but I certainly have had numerous friends snap one while not wearing one. Food for thought. 

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 The airbag stuff is still rather new to the local track scene and the prices, user friendliness and availability are getting better. They are also now rechargeable trackside by the user which is a nice feature.

In the pic bellow you can see the 2 racers on the left wearing Leatt's waiting in pit zero to go on track

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And here you see one in motion on track,

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I'm told they are quite comfortable and you actually have no idea it's there once you start off. Brian Van does a nice video on the Leatt's in that STG link I posted too.  

Just some random safety info. 😀

Addendum, CE level 2 is basically an uprated progression of CE level 1 to meet newer, updated safety specifications found in Europe.  

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blackout

I wear a Hit-Air Race air vest.  I like it, but have not had to use it.

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1tondriver
5 hours ago, mossrider said:

First off, I'm no expert on squat. But I do see a lot of these various Leatt type restraint devices at all the tracks I frequent. They are designed to protect the C-spine and in doing so transfer crash energy over/around the collar bones to the chest and torso. I also know that the collar bone is one of the most common injuries (broken bones) at the race track. Many of my friends where one of these and they can be seen in many of the pics I post on this site. They are very common at trackday events and in club racing but as you move up to MotoAmerica, WSB, MotoGP for instance you don't see them as much, I suspect because you see many more airbag suits and vests and the like at the higher levels, presumably due to cost. I can't remember any of my buds going down and ending up with a busted clavicle while wearing one of these but I certainly have had numerous friends snap one while not wearing one. Food for thought. 

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Purchase the Leatt STX RR Neck Brace Black Carbon from SportbikeTrackGear.com. Get the lowest price, free shipping deal, easy exchanges and no restocking fees - Guaranteed!

 The airbag stuff is still rather new to the local track scene and the prices, user friendliness and availability are getting better. They are also now rechargeable trackside by the user which is a nice feature.

In the pic bellow you can see the 2 racers on the left wearing Leatt's waiting in pit zero to go on track

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And here you see one in motion on track,

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I'm told they are quite comfortable and you actually have no idea it's there once you start off. Brian Van does a nice video on the Leatt's in that STG link I posted too.  

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Addendum, CE level 2 is basically an uprated progression of CE level 1 to meet newer, updated safety specifications found in Europe.  

@cornerslider says he wears this and it is comfortable. I am going to look into further. 

 

4 hours ago, blackout said:

I wear a Hit-Air Race air vest.  I like it, but have not had to use it.

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Going to check this out as well 👍🏻

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sorkyah
1 hour ago, 1tondriver said:

@cornerslider says he wears this and it is comfortable. I am going to look into further. 

 

Going to check this out as well 👍🏻

hit air, or there was another one that used to sponsor the forum.... Helite
but experienced a demo they did at a local shop here.... I would probably buy one if i had the money......

 

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cornerslider
1 hour ago, 1tondriver said:

@cornerslider says he wears this and it is comfortable. I am going to look into further. 

 

Going to check this out as well 👍🏻

I'm biased on this... I bought the top-of-the-line "carbon fiber" road race version that works in tandem with the speed hump on most leathers. I spent more on this than I did my helmet. I took the time to properly set it up with my helmet & leathers (this took close to 45 minutes). My wife helped me out, as it is a 2-person job.... Once you get it properly set-up, you don't even know it's there- (until you need it). I haven't crashed with this on, and hope I don't ever need it... If I do, I have no doubt this it will work as it is designed to-

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I went ahead after searching for “good” deals and pulled the trigger on gear that will get me by for a while and hopefully keep me somewhat protected on the track as well as the street. I am going to get a air vest (probably Helite) in the spring to round it out. I went with a 2 piece as it will serve me better until I get into more advanced riding and because it will get used on the street. I didn’t want the boy racer look (yet 😎). I am all in for $565 total so that leaves me some money towards an air vest. 

Joe Rocket Blaster X 2 Piece Suit  

ForceField Pro L2K Evo Back Protector 

Alpinestars GP Plus R Gloves

Alpinestars SMX 5 Boots

I think I did pretty well cost wise and only the boots and back protector were slightly used. Get the air vest and I should be good to go 👍
 

 

 

 

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Ubee in good shape now

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