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One persons comparison.

 

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FZ07R WaNaB

Thanks Beemer - Interesting video

I will say that the reviewer is a serious non-committal mofo. My take on that review is that the KTM is the superior motorcycle. That's actually not surprising, but it doesn't take into account three major factors - reliability, cost, and the aftermarket.

First, my assumption is that the cost difference between the two will allow the T7 owner to get their bike to be as good as or better than the KTM. We have all seen that with our FZ/MT-07s.

Then the correlation between reliability and cost comes into play. KTM's are not known for their reliability but they are known for the cost to repair them.

Lastly, from what we have seen develop in the last several years with our bikes, the aftermarket for the T7 will explode which will make it all the easier to surpass the KTM. I'm sure 2WDW will have some fun with that one.

It's going to be an interesting battle on which one will really take off after the T7 makes it to the US.

 

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Naturally the 790 is more powerful with another 100cc's to sling around, but they're already having some of the typical issues KTM's seems to be plagued with from time to time. Oil leaks and foot pegs breaking are the two major ones that come to mind. And the peg issue is a big one. They screw in to the engine cases and fail when the lugs break off the engine. I mean, really? There's also clogged fuel filters and ill fitting air box connections which point directly at poor assembly quality. KTM has a reputation for letting leaky air boxes kill engines with ingested dirt, and it seems they're not trying hard to fix anything. 

More component issues include jammed gearboxes and faulty gauges. No joke.

Teething issues on new models is totally expected. But c'mon...this is 2019...oil leaks and foot pegs falling off should not even be a concern. Manufacturing technology in general is way beyond allowing any of that to be excusable. Jammed gearboxes?! I haven't heard of a bike unable shift past 2nd gear since...well, I've never heard of that!

 

I'm no Yamaha fanboy. I'll admit I'm pretty partial to Honda. But is the KTM a superior bike compared to the T7? In my eyes, it's not even close. The engine may be strong and the suspension may work well, but it's sounds like it has the build quality of a bad Chinese scooter. 

I love my CP2. Total horsepower figures aside, I think KTM has met it's rival with Yamaha. To me, Japanese bikes are premium motorcycles, with Honda and Yamaha sitting at the top of the podium. I grew up on KTM's. Love my Honda's and Yammies :)

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I would only think about taking any kind of large cc, heavy-ass adventure bike on fire roads where hopefully, if and when it goes down, you might actually have some somewhat solid surface beneath your feet to be able to pick it up. I've been on gravel roads and soft, talcum powder like dirt with my FZ-07 and there's no way in hell I'd want to even attempt to pick up any heavy adventure bike that's similar to an FZ-07 in size & weight on either surface. For newbs that don't know, your feet need traction to pick up a bike so it's something to consider when buying a bike. If I were going to just ride some street and trails close to home I would rather get just about any new 250cc street/trail bike. Argue over which one is best if you want but any of them will do the job, put a smile on your face and won't wear you out as much doing it. 

Bottom line and IMO, those bikes are made for long distance rides that involve a little easy off road riding and I'm sure they're "OK" for that but there's one big thing to consider that I haven't seen anyone mention in any article or video …. you have to factor in seat comfort on those long trips. I haven't seen any video where someone has ridden hundreds of miles to say whether the seat is good for it or not. I just see people saying, OH, it's comfortable after sitting on it for a few minutes. I wouldn't want to ride all day and develop a sore rump and then even think about riding on any rough stuff. Almost all of us have had trouble with seat comfort on our FZ's and MT's so I think that's a legit concern for either bike.

 

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^Bingo on the weight. The ADV guys call anything under 500lbs light and their unicorn is a 400lb bike. 

The dirt bike guys cry foul if an OEM builds a bike weighing anywhere approaching 300lbs. 😂 250-270 is common for a "heavy" 4 stroke.

Some of the newer 2 strokes are coming in right on the 200lb mark. 

I've ridden a 375lb KLR on tight single track and it's a workout. When you drop the bike you just sit and rest while it pukes fluids. I can't imagine doing it with another 75lbs+! 

 

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When in doubt, go for the compromise bike of the big three Japanese 650s - Suzuki DR650. ProCycle has all the gear to make that a bike you can easily go around the world with.

The reason I say compromise is two fold - weight and purpose.

The Honda XR650L is the better dirt bike. It is air cooled. It's the lightest at 346 lbs wet.

The Suzuki DR650 is an in between with dirt and street. It is air and oil cooled. It weighs 366 lbs wet.

The Kawasaki KLR650 is the better street bike. It is water cooled. It weighs a porky 432 lbs wet (sorry, Shinyribs, but that's what the Kawi website says).

Like everyone says, those big adventure bikes are a real problem if you wreck. Also, when you are riding in the dirt, you can easily notice the difference of 20-30 lbs, let alone 100-150 lbs. I think the T7 would be a great bike to ride on crappy paved roads or semi-decent jeep roads, but single track would be a handful. The 1200GS even more so. It's suppose to be fun after all.

 

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3 hours ago, FZ07R WaNaB said:

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The Kawasaki KLR650 is the better street bike. It is water cooled. It weighs a porky 432 lbs wet (sorry, Shinyribs, but that's what the Kawi website says).

 

 

I modified mine before ever weighing it, so not sure what it was stock. Mine was 375 lbs with a full tank. I never thought I took that much weight off the bike, but who knows. Also, I think the Gen 2's with that bulky nose fairing thing are quite a bit heavier than the Gen 1's.  I flat out used and abused that bike daily for the year I owned it. Parked it outdoors and would have to chip the ice off the switches so I could start it. It was heavy, but unstoppable. I loved that bike, but don't miss it lol

 

 

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14 hours ago, FZ07R WaNaB said:

When in doubt, go for the compromise bike of the big three Japanese 650s - Suzuki DR650. ProCycle has all the gear to make that a bike you can easily go around the world with.

The reason I say compromise is two fold - weight and purpose.

The Honda XR650L is the better dirt bike. It is air cooled. It's the lightest at 346 lbs wet.

The Suzuki DR650 is an in between with dirt and street. It is air and oil cooled. It weighs 366 lbs wet.

The Kawasaki KLR650 is the better street bike. It is water cooled. It weighs a porky 432 lbs wet (sorry, Shinyribs, but that's what the Kawi website says).

Like everyone says, those big adventure bikes are a real problem if you wreck. Also, when you are riding in the dirt, you can easily notice the difference of 20-30 lbs, let alone 100-150 lbs. I think the T7 would be a great bike to ride on crappy paved roads or semi-decent jeep roads, but single track would be a handful. The 1200GS even more so. It's suppose to be fun after all.

 

I agree that the XR650L and the DR650 would be better bikes for the job, much better off road where it counts and if I had to choose a bike to have as a long distance adventure bike it would be the XR650L for it's lighter weight and greater suspension, 11.6 inches up front (T-7, 8.3 inches) to handle the 'real' off road bumps and at around 100 lbs. lighter than a T7. Which is going to handle better? It's a no brainer. Besides, it's been around forever for a reason, it's solid and it works. It also has a Baja 1000 WIN to back up any bike trash talk and make them eat it's dust as it's doing it, old tech or not.


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Man, Beemer, don' get me started on old tech XL/XR bikes. I'll drag this thread so far off topic it'll end up on another forum altogether!

 

 

 

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The T7 will be the better bike due to the reliability. While I like KTM for there light weight dirt bikes, They do have a lot of issues not seen in the Japanese bikes.

Either of these bikes for real offroad? No!  I ride county dirt roads on my WR250R. The T7 would do this too when it is dry. I rode after 3 inches of rain this week and almost dumped it in a big deep rutted mud puddle. I was dancing around on the pegs doing the twist and shout trying not to dump it. If I was on a T7,  I am sure I would have dumped it. No way my 140 pound self would have picked it up. On top of that, the road I was on was a grown up single lane road so it would have been difficult to ever turn around on a heavy bike.

 

The WR250R is happy to run 55 and 60 mph down dirt and pavement. Its also fun to blast around town on. It makes a 250 feel fast. Plus you get all kind of crazy looks. No one rides dual sports here so people are like what the heck.

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7 hours ago, shinyribs said:

Man, Beemer, don' get me started on old tech XL/XR bikes. I'll drag this thread so far off topic it'll end up on another forum altogether!

 

 

 

Fantastic, very enjoyable to watch. Doing chores, and getting in touch with the natural surroundings Moto-Style. The way I see it, is you just did the most mundane thing I usually have to do and made it into something that I'd do just 1 letter at a time.

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4 hours ago, fzar said:

Fantastic, very enjoyable to watch. Doing chores, and getting in touch with the natural surroundings Moto-Style. The way I see it, is you just did the most mundane thing I usually have to do and made it into something that I'd do just 1 letter at a time.

Haha, right on, man! I will drive right by a place I need to stop at on the way home in the work truck just so I can go back out as soon as I get home with one of the bikes. It's a sickness! And I don't want a cure. Drives my wife nuts, though. 

 

BTW, 10 points to anyone who spots the turkey ;)

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Well no real surprise. Disappointment but not surprise.The Yammy suspension sucks. Back wheel bouncing off the ground after landing. Slopping around at low speed. ie works nowhere. Unlike the 07 it isn't a cheap motorcycle. You are looking at over $20000 in Australia to get it and suspend it properly ( not here until christmas). That's without any other adventure mods.  I was seriously considering it until I saw the suspension performance. They could get away with the crap suspension on a $10000 bike, but not a $16000 for a few bits extra.

 KTM has really good suspension . Duh...white power, of course it is a quantum gap in quality. I would much prefer the yammy motor but the suspension just kills it.


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