scat2me Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 Any thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Global Moderator sorkyah Posted July 26, 2019 Global Moderator Share Posted July 26, 2019 I replaced mine with a shorai at the begining of 2015 Haven't had issues since 1 ATGATT... ATTATT, two acronyms I live by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scat2me Posted July 27, 2019 Author Share Posted July 27, 2019 This one ? Shorai LFX Lithium Battery 19AH, 12V, EQ, ldquo,A&rdquo, 4 LFX19A4-BS12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossrider Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 I've had teriffic luck with this, Antigravity Light weight motorcycle battery batteries, Antigravity Motorcycle Batteries, Antigravity motorcycle battery, lightweight sportbike battery Antigravity Light weight motorcycle battery batteries, Antigravity Motorcycle Batteries, Antigravity motorcycle battery, lightweight sportbike battery The 8 cell one, $159.00. Not cheap but I haven't charged or touched it since I put it in December 2015. The 4 cell version is what most racers use and will start the bike fine but this one (8 cell) has much more power for street use with lights and electronics and such. Plus it's half the size and 6 lbs lighter than the stock battery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beemer Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 Deja vous! I hope this helps. Beemer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scat2me Posted July 27, 2019 Author Share Posted July 27, 2019 13 hours ago, mossrider said: I've had teriffic luck with this, Antigravity Light weight motorcycle battery batteries, Antigravity Motorcycle Batteries, Antigravity motorcycle battery, lightweight sportbike battery Antigravity Light weight motorcycle battery batteries, Antigravity Motorcycle Batteries, Antigravity motorcycle battery, lightweight sportbike battery The 8 cell one, $159.00. Not cheap but I haven't charged or touched it since I put it in December 2015. The 4 cell version is what most racers use and will start the bike fine but this one (8 cell) has much more power for street use with lights and electronics and such. Plus it's half the size and 6 lbs lighter than the stock battery. Thanks, The website is very confusing. I cant find the model number for the 2017 FZ07 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossrider Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 Just now, scat2me said: Thanks, The website is very confusing. I cant find the model number for the 2017 FZ07 Same for all years, 2015-2019. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scat2me Posted July 27, 2019 Author Share Posted July 27, 2019 25 minutes ago, mossrider said: Same for all years, 2015-2019. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossrider Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 (edited) YTZ10 factory replacement size. Or the equivalent in mini sizes, just shim the battery box with foam to fit, or stick your PC5 alongside the battery in the box if you have one, or... Get any of the other types if that's your thing, they all do the job, some much cheaper. I just happen to like the HUGE weight savings. Edited July 27, 2019 by mossrider Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Global Moderator sorkyah Posted July 27, 2019 Global Moderator Share Posted July 27, 2019 14 hours ago, scat2me said: This one ? Shorai LFX Lithium Battery 19AH, 12V, EQ, ldquo,A&rdquo, 4 LFX19A4-BS12 LFX19A4-BS12 had to look back at revzilla to get the proper number april of 2015 and it's still going strong through AZ summers and winters ATGATT... ATTATT, two acronyms I live by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scat2me Posted July 27, 2019 Author Share Posted July 27, 2019 thanks... I was looking at that at Amazon... Lots of negative reviews on Shorai Customer service... any experience with them ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Global Moderator sorkyah Posted July 27, 2019 Global Moderator Share Posted July 27, 2019 yes, actually. bought a shorai for my car as well. didnt have a specific model but they were able to help me find one that would work and gave me a written statement of warranty for use in the car since it was only a 1200cc motor ATGATT... ATTATT, two acronyms I live by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossrider Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 Just now, scat2me said: thanks... I was looking at that at Amazon... Lots of negative reviews on Shorai Customer service... any experience with them ? I had a Shorai in my MotoGuzzi LeMans for 5 years and never had a lick of trouble with it. That needed a battery that would start a Cummins too. Really liked the fact I could mount it any way it fell into the frame. .02 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinyribs Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 I've never had any experience with a lithium battery, but the cold weather stories you hear always intrigue me? Are they really that sensitive to cold? How cold is cold enough to bother a lithium battery? 50°? 30°? If the battery does need to be "warmed up" by burning the headlight, what do you do on a bike like the 07 who's headlight doesn't burn until after the engine starts? My 2016 is exhibiting some hard starts when cold ( nothing major, but noticable) and I'm wondering if my stock battery is already deteriorating, so I'm in the market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scat2me Posted July 28, 2019 Author Share Posted July 28, 2019 My 2017 only gets ridden on the week ends. Since its kept covered in a parking spot I don't have access to electric. Its been rough starting a few times now. When I do put the Battery tender on overnight it starts right up. I just don't want to take a long ride and find the battery is shot. Its the original battery. Im tempted to buy one from batteries plus since they have locations all over the place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossrider Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 Just now, shinyribs said: I've never had any experience with a lithium battery, but the cold weather stories you hear always intrigue me? Are they really that sensitive to cold? How cold is cold enough to bother a lithium battery? 50°? 30°? If the battery does need to be "warmed up" by burning the headlight, what do you do on a bike like the 07 who's headlight doesn't burn until after the engine starts? My 2016 is exhibiting some hard starts when cold ( nothing major, but noticable) and I'm wondering if my stock battery is already deteriorating, so I'm in the market. I live in northern Minnesota where we routinely get -20°F in winter and sometimes -40°F. (Roush Industries has a cold weather test facility here) Folks here use lithium ion batteries in their atv's, snow mobiles, motorcycles, yard equipment and whatnot without problems. People up here like them in their seasonal cabin toys for their storage characteristics, their low drain rate let's them be left for months w/o being hooked to a charger. It is a common misconception that they don't perform well in cold temperatures. They perform BETTER than lead acid batteries in cold. It can be a little disconcerting at first as it seems somewhat counter intuitive, to put a load on it and it will get better. But once you're used to it it's all good. When a lithium ion is loaded it warms up and it's output increases. This can be done with the starter motor as easily as it can be done with lights or other electrical load. Try that with a cold lead acid battery. A cold lead acid battery has a lower output and it only gets worse with draw so if it doesn't start your rig on the first shot you're dead in the water. Type "litium ion cold weather start" into YouTube search and you'll see all manor of vids from tractors to scooters firing up. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinyribs Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 So that's a total myth about needing to burn the headlight to be about to start the bike, then. And to think he mentioned in the vid needing as much as 30 minutes! His credibility just keeps plummetting. Like you said, it's only logical that the starter motor would also load the battery to "heat it up". So what happens when you wake up a Litium battery by cranking the bike? You get a couple slow cranks, then it takes off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossrider Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 Just now, shinyribs said: So what happens when you wake up a Litium battery by cranking the bike? You get a couple slow cranks, then it takes off? BOOM! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinyribs Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, mossrider said: BOOM! Wait....the battery explodes?! Jk So another classic case of the internet blowing thing out of proportion. Imagine that! Thanks, mossrider Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossrider Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 It's funny but people keep measuring the performance of lithium ion batteries against that of lead acid batteries, the 100 year old gold standard. I suppose it's because it's what they know or are familiar with. Some folks equate the slow crank with poor performance but they misunderstand the technology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossrider Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 Just now, shinyribs said: Wait....the battery explodes?! Jk So another classic case of the internet blowing thing out of proportion. Imagine that! Thanks, mossrider No, poor choice of words. I meant you're spot on. Mega start.,, lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossrider Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 Just now, shinyribs said: I've never had any experience with a lithium battery, but the cold weather stories you hear always intrigue me? Are they really that sensitive to cold? How cold is cold enough to bother a lithium battery? 50°? 30°? If the battery does need to be "warmed up" by burning the headlight, what do you do on a bike like the 07 who's headlight doesn't burn until after the engine starts? My 2016 is exhibiting some hard starts when cold ( nothing major, but noticable) and I'm wondering if my stock battery is already deteriorating, so I'm in the market. Isn't it funny that there are no lead acid battery powered hand tools? Just think, a lead acid battery powered 20 volt Dewalt cordless drill; on a tripod. A cordless drill is nothing more than a starter motor with a chuck instead of a sprag. Don't get me wrong, lithium ion isn't perfect and there's nothing wrong with lead acid either. They each have their strengths and weaknesses. I just like the newer battery technology. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wintersdark Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 I'm curious about this. I've long considered a LiIon battery, but I ride year round in Calgary, Alberta. That's getting down to around -20C starts (I'm not completely crazy; -20C is my limit for riding) and I need to know it'll reliably start then. Getting stranded somewhere at -20C isn't a good time. But the weight savings! I mean, my battery is fine, and I *could* just swap em out if needed in the winter, but it's a fair chunk of money to spend unnecessarily and changing batteries is annoying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member DewMan Posted July 28, 2019 Premium Member Share Posted July 28, 2019 4 minutes ago, Wintersdark said: (I'm not completely crazy; -20C is my limit for riding) Ummm Noooo, I'm pretty sure that proves you're completely crazy. DewMan Just shut up and ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Global Moderator sorkyah Posted July 28, 2019 Global Moderator Share Posted July 28, 2019 17 minutes ago, Wintersdark said: I'm curious about this. I've long considered a LiIon battery, but I ride year round in Calgary, Alberta. That's getting down to around -20C starts (I'm not completely crazy; -20C is my limit for riding) and I need to know it'll reliably start then. Getting stranded somewhere at -20C isn't a good time. But the weight savings! I mean, my battery is fine, and I *could* just swap em out if needed in the winter, but it's a fair chunk of money to spend unnecessarily and changing batteries is annoying. I've had my bike up north In Flagstaff in 10°F weather Turned the key on, let it sit for about 10 mins Tried to crank and it was slow let it sit for a min tried again Fired right up 10 minutes ago, DewMan said: Ummm Noooo, I'm pretty sure that proves you're completely crazy. "> I've gotta agree with this, though I've done it too 1 ATGATT... ATTATT, two acronyms I live by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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