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persydonkers

I always assumed id go with woodcraft rearsets but was curious what everyone is using and their experience with other brands. Also is anyone running stock bars with them?

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topazsparrow

heard the cheap chinese knock off ones are not bad. have not tried yet tho.

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mossrider

Woodcraft are fine rearsets, function flawlessly, with probably the greatest factory support I've ever found. Having said that tho, they are a little clunky looking in the FZ/MT version. They re-use some of the factory hardware. 

Something to consider if you're just using them/your bike for general purpose is rear set plates. They use the factory controls as is but simply relocate them, giving a miriad of options and are cheaper than rearsets. With factory handlebars/seating you can move the controls back w/o raising them which many find more comfortable and gives you a couple degrees more tilt into the wind blast with the added benefit of being able to stand up off the seat more easily. Or you can certainly raise them too if that's your bag. 

There are many rearset options from high end like Sato and Woodies all the way to the Chinese copies of same to pick from. Some are a cleaner looking unit but beware some can be more focused, meaning less comfortable and/or less adjustable due to intended track use. 

Good luck.

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persydonkers
20 hours ago, mossrider said:

Woodcraft are fine rearsets, function flawlessly, with probably the greatest factory support I've ever found. Having said that tho, they are a little clunky looking in the FZ/MT version. They re-use some of the factory hardware. 

Something to consider if you're just using them/your bike for general purpose is rear set plates. They use the factory controls as is but simply relocate them, giving a miriad of options and are cheaper than rearsets. With factory handlebars/seating you can move the controls back w/o raising them which many find more comfortable and gives you a couple degrees more tilt into the wind blast with the added benefit of being able to stand up off the seat more easily. Or you can certainly raise them too if that's your bag. 

There are many rearset options from high end like Sato and Woodies all the way to the Chinese copies of same to pick from. Some are a cleaner looking unit but beware some can be more focused, meaning less comfortable and/or less adjustable due to intended track use. 

Good luck.

Awesome info. I read a little about rear set plates after i posted this. Might check those out

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Zupatun

So far the Chinese rearsets I purchased work well on my XSR700, for street and trackdays.  I do have questions about Chinese fasteners, but blue loctite is your friend.

 

Matt

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topazsparrow
22 hours ago, mossrider said:

Woodcraft are fine rearsets, function flawlessly, with probably the greatest factory support I've ever found. Having said that tho, they are a little clunky looking in the FZ/MT version. They re-use some of the factory hardware. 

Something to consider if you're just using them/your bike for general purpose is rear set plates. They use the factory controls as is but simply relocate them, giving a miriad of options and are cheaper than rearsets. With factory handlebars/seating you can move the controls back w/o raising them which many find more comfortable and gives you a couple degrees more tilt into the wind blast with the added benefit of being able to stand up off the seat more easily. Or you can certainly raise them too if that's your bag. 

There are many rearset options from high end like Sato and Woodies all the way to the Chinese copies of same to pick from. Some are a cleaner looking unit but beware some can be more focused, meaning less comfortable and/or less adjustable due to intended track use. 

Good luck.

Have a link or anything to the plates? I can't find anything on google.

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mossrider
44 minutes ago, topazsparrow said:

Have a link or anything to the plates? I can't find anything on google.

I talked to JenSpeed at the racetrack about this and here's the latest. Andy Palmer no longer makes them and as far as we can find out no one is. There are a few originals floating around but it's tough to find them. 

JenSpeed is handling sales for what AP still makes. The high end lightweight hand laid glass and mounting kits come from AP. The everyday generic bodywork from Shark Skinz. If you're looking for top of the line rearsets I've seen no better than these;

A little more costly but OMG for nice. These are inclusive and reinforce the frame due to their mounting design. 

I can't find any link to the rearsets plates as those have apparently gone the way of the Do-do with the advent of all the rearsets options available now. 

I'll keep looking but I have to get on track.

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mossrider

If you can find these they were great. They tied the frame and the swingarm pivot together and allowed for a ton of adjustability as well as worked with stock controls or rearsets. 

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Apparently the world has moved on. 😕

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cleverriver

I generally prefer either woodcraft or vortex for rearsets. I have raced on both, and I generally prefer woodcraft overall. Vortex is superior if you run in the rain bc of the added grip, but boy do they chew up boots faster

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persydonkers
13 hours ago, topazsparrow said:

Have a link or anything to the plates? I can't find anything on google.

Same. Haven't found anything.

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mossrider

I got word back from Andy Palmer. Altho they are out of production he has a few sets of rearsets plates left if anyone's interested. Contact him via email;

andy@apmotoarts.com

I posted pics of the beta version above. The left overs should be the 2nd gens like those seen on his website.

 

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sorkyah

I just received a set of the second gen a month ago

They're pretty damned nice, but if you're gonna use em on the street, you will need to make an adapter for your kickstand as there is nowhere to mount it after swapping the plates


ATGATT... ATTATT, two acronyms I live by.
 

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mossrider
8 minutes ago, sorkyah said:

I just received a set of the second gen a month ago

They're pretty damned nice, but if you're gonna use em on the street, you will need to make an adapter for your kickstand as there is nowhere to mount it after swapping the plates

Thanks for the reminder. Us track rats forget that stuff. 

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persydonkers
11 hours ago, sorkyah said:

I just received a set of the second gen a month ago

They're pretty damned nice, but if you're gonna use em on the street, you will need to make an adapter for your kickstand as there is nowhere to mount it after swapping the plates

Do you have a pic of them installed?

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Zephyr

I've just installed a set of ValterMoto and I'm quite impressed with them.  They are more track oriented.  The quality is tops as far as I'm concerned.  Haven't put a ton of miles on them, so I can't speak to longevity or perhaps minor quirks that may arise over time.  I think that they are way better than what woodcraft offers.

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sorkyah
13 hours ago, persydonkers said:

Do you have a pic of them installed?

Not yet

my dad's making the adapter for the kickstand for me


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persydonkers
8 hours ago, sorkyah said:

Not yet

my dad's making the adapter for the kickstand for me

Awesome. Curious on how much they change the riding position if any.

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sorkyah

Overall change is about 30mm up and 30mm back from stock 

So little over 1.125 inches 

With adjustable rearsets you can end up about 45mm or 1.75 inches total movement from stock


ATGATT... ATTATT, two acronyms I live by.
 

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persydonkers
7 hours ago, sorkyah said:

Overall change is about 30mm up and 30mm back from stock 

So little over 1.125 inches 

With adjustable rearsets you can end up about 45mm or 1.75 inches total movement from stock

Hmmm🤔. Doesn't seem like much, is it noticeable?

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Thebadguy
On 7/21/2019 at 7:03 PM, Zephyr said:

I've just installed a set of ValterMoto and I'm quite impressed with them.  They are more track oriented.  The quality is tops as far as I'm concerned.  Haven't put a ton of miles on them, so I can't speak to longevity or perhaps minor quirks that may arise over time.  I think that they are way better than what woodcraft offers.

Did you get the 1.5 or 2.5? 

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sorkyah
19 hours ago, persydonkers said:

Hmmm<img src=">. Doesn't seem like much, is it noticeable?

I will be using them with the Gilles rearsets

And when I changed just those I noticed a big improvement, however I also have longer legs and needed the rearsets back further to accommodate my 33" inseam

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Zephyr
14 hours ago, Thebadguy said:

Did you get the 1.5 or 2.5? 

I got the 3.5 linked below to their website.  I really need to get out and take a picture of them.  Also need to do a legitimate review write-up, but life is funny how it keeps getting in the way.


Adjustable Type 3.5 rearsets are developed mainly for racing use, are entirely made with CNC machinery in Ergal 7075 T5 alloy and are the Top Range model used in the most important world racing...

 

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19 hours ago, Zephyr said:

I got the 3.5 linked below to their website.  I really need to get out and take a picture of them.  Also need to do a legitimate review write-up, but life is funny how it keeps getting in the way.


Adjustable Type 3.5 rearsets are developed mainly for racing use, are entirely made with CNC machinery in Ergal 7075 T5 alloy and are the Top Range model used in the most important world racing...

 

Wow that is way out of my budget.  Look forward to hearing your thoughts on them though 

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vcyclenut

I have lextek on my 7 and are very happy with them,  plus they use the stock rear brake light set up which is a plus

 

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Zephyr
21 hours ago, Thebadguy said:

Wow that is way out of my budget.  Look forward to hearing your thoughts on them though 

The VM 2.5 has more adjust-ability and includes brake light switch than the woodcraft for the same price (Sportbikes4hire.com) which someone on these forums has installed.  I chose to go with the 3.5 because at the time it was not much more expensive ~$60-75 over the 2.5 and offered the most options to adjust.  I was having some issues with the stock position bothering my knee/ankle on longer rides.  School is starting back up soon, so perhaps as we get into later months of the year I can get out for some lengthier rides and give a proper write-up.  One downside is that any replacement parts may be pricier than woodcraft and will likely be shipped direct from Italy so could be week(s) delivery versus a few days for the more well known/stocked woodcraft.

If I wanted something that fit a budget and I wasn't such a picky person with regards to an exact/perfect position, then those Lextek that @vcyclenut has seem like a steal.  I really was just worried about paying good money and still not getting the fit "perfect" for me which led me to spend more for the VM3.5.  I also plan to keep the bike "for life", so the extra $pent isn't much considering lifetime ownership.

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