mossrider Posted July 22, 2019 Author Share Posted July 22, 2019 Road Warriors? More like Jukebox Heroes. Enjoying a track day with other grown kids. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossrider Posted July 22, 2019 Author Share Posted July 22, 2019 Got a chance to ride this race prepped R6 today. Did several sessions on it, then some back to back sessions on it and my FZ for comparison. This is obviously an apples to oranges comparo and these bikes aren't even in the same class as race bikes but it was fun non the less. I have done about as much to my race bike as you can do to an FZ short of the R6 fork swap. It handles pretty well for a modified street bike. Then you ride a proper track bike like the R6. Better transmission right off the bat. Crisper, more precise shifting with a much shorter throw. Brakes are better, even with my modified stock rotors, braided lines and upgraded pads my FZ can't compete. On my FZ I use 2 fingers, on the R6 I have to be careful with 2 or even use 1. Handling. The R6 waits for instructions which it then executes eagerly and with digital precision. The FZ needs to be manipulated like a reluctant 2 year old. It's capable but requires much more effort and physicality to accomplish the same results. I can feel the frame, forks and swingarm flexing going thru transitions and turning in under heavy braking. It still handles well and doesn't tie itself in a knot or do anything untoward but can't touch the R6. The suspension feels very similar on each. This is one area where they are near equal since they are both race prepped with the good stuff and set for my weight and riding style they felt very similar. Motors. This is a tough one. They are both so good in their own rights. The R6 is of course substantially more powerful but takes more effort to use. The FZ pulls harder out of corners and is indifferent to rpm. Let the R6 fall out of the power curve and you've got a lethargic pig by the tail. Keep it on boil and the grin will crack your face. If you want to go moderately fast with little mental effort the FZ is your friend. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossrider Posted July 25, 2019 Author Share Posted July 25, 2019 (edited) Been getting it ready for Pittsburg the past couple days. Aside from a good going over and cleaning of all the turning, moving, twisting, sliding, rotating parts I made a couple changes. Added about 1mm length to shock and raised forks 1mm in tripples. We'll see how that works in practice. Pittrace is a slower, constantly turning track than BIR's high speed flowing layout. This should put us near the edge of stability but sharpen handling a bit more. New pivot bolts and lever knuckles to correct slop from wear and tear. Put new pegs on the rearsets too. The knurling on the old ones was worn down and smooth making footing a little iffy. Swapped out brake fluid for fresh Motul 600 also. Edited July 25, 2019 by mossrider 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member blackout Posted July 26, 2019 Premium Member Share Posted July 26, 2019 The knurling on my woodcraft pegs are worn as well. Have a new set ready for my first crash. Lol 1 Craig Mapstone Upstate New York Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member fzar Posted July 26, 2019 Premium Member Share Posted July 26, 2019 3 minutes ago, blackout said: The knurling on my woodcraft pegs are worn as well. Have a new set ready for my first crash. Lol How long have you had them on the bike??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossrider Posted July 26, 2019 Author Share Posted July 26, 2019 I can't answer for @blackout obviously but I seem to go through a set a year. What with crashing (see the short peg) and climbing around on it like a gorilla. Seems wet racing is harder on them I suppose due to mud and crud on my boots? They wear out on the very ends. Woodcraft is very good about spare parts tho, I always have several in the box and they're cheap. Take offs next to replacement, After Pitt there's just 2 local rounds left of the season I did have someone ask me if it's for sale tho. Uh-oh, then what? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossrider Posted July 26, 2019 Author Share Posted July 26, 2019 You'd think they would be hard on boots too but amazingly these are 5 years old, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member blackout Posted July 26, 2019 Premium Member Share Posted July 26, 2019 2 hours ago, fzar said: How long have you had them on the bike??? Around 9,000 miles. Edit: I'm fine with the wear. Its a compromise between boot wear and peg wear. I have heard of some boots getting torn bad from aftermarket pegs. Craig Mapstone Upstate New York Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Global Moderator sorkyah Posted July 26, 2019 Global Moderator Share Posted July 26, 2019 3 hours ago, mossrider said: I can't answer for @blackout obviously but I seem to go through a set a year. What with crashing (see the short peg) and climbing around on it like a gorilla. Seems wet racing is harder on them I suppose due to mud and crud on my boots? They wear out on the very ends. Woodcraft is very good about spare parts tho, I always have several in the box and they're cheap. Take offs next to replacement, After Pitt there's just 2 local rounds left of the season "> I did have someone ask me if it's for sale tho. Uh-oh, then what? Then you get an r3 and a stock Fz and start over again ATGATT... ATTATT, two acronyms I live by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossrider Posted July 29, 2019 Author Share Posted July 29, 2019 To slipper or not to slipper? I've started prepping for the Pittsburg round of MotoAmerica. Turns out the race isn't just on track, it's also down the rabbit hole, lol. I've run bikes with and without slippers and like them both ways but have decided to throw one in and see what's what. "The nearer your destination the more you're slip slidin' away". Last weekend, Now we gotta get our carcasses and gear half way across the continent. Big deal for an old club racer. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member DewMan Posted July 29, 2019 Premium Member Share Posted July 29, 2019 7 hours ago, mossrider said: To slipper or not to slipper? "The nearer your destination the more you're slip slidin' away". Ignorance question please? Does the slipper clutch take the dimensionally standard friction & drive plates for the FZ-07? I understand you may want aftermarket plate kits for improved performance. Thanks. DewMan Just shut up and ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossrider Posted July 29, 2019 Author Share Posted July 29, 2019 Just now, DewMan said: Ignorance question please? Does the slipper clutch take the dimensionally standard friction & drive plates for the FZ-07? I understand you may want aftermarket plate kits for improved performance. Thanks. Stock parts, yes. I like oem replacement clutch parts. I've tried 'upgraded' clutch parts, Kevlar clutches, Barnett clutch kits, etc in the past with mixed results. I think most racers would agree that there are fewer issues with oem replacements than aftermarket replacements. The engine builders I know would agree too, stick with oem. I've had problems like slipping and dragging and difficulty getting them adjusted, narrow engagement range and then keeping them there with aftermarket clutch parts. Having said this, I have never owned/maintained a race bike with a slipper. I can't speak from direct knowledge about how the slipper will function long term which is one of the reasons I decided to put one in and try it. So my opinion may well change over time. I'm not sure where I'll end up on this issue? Kind of looking forward to learning something new. Anyone else wanna chime in? Thoughts? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevets Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 My Ninja 650 came with a slipper clutch installed by the previous owner. I absolutely love it. So much so, that after my first track on my FZ07 I decided I couldn't race without one, and immediately purchased one to put into the FZ. It's just one less thing to think about as you're entering a corner. I can downshift, and dump the clutch, and know that I'm going to get predictable engine breaking. It allows me to focus on brake pressure and turn in point. I stick to OEM plates. In the last 4 years of racing I haven't had any issues at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zupatun Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 Mossrider, I think you're going to really like Pittrace. Good luck with the slipper and get a tow from a local if you haven't been there yet. Best of luck! Matt 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossrider Posted July 30, 2019 Author Share Posted July 30, 2019 Just now, Zupatun said: Mossrider, I think you're going to really like Pittrace. Good luck with the slipper and get a tow from a local if you haven't been there yet. Best of luck! Matt Thank you, We ran with MotoAmerica there last year and had a great time. Due to my health and age I can't get my MA license so Tony (see pic bottom of page 1) rides my bike for our MA ventures. Still really enjoy this arrangement tho since I'm at the age and situation that being a team principal, builder, mechanic and cook has its own rewards. Kind of a proud parent kind of thing. Plus I kinda like being 'that guy', the only FZ07 on the grids running a stock front end, lol. Last year at Pitt Tony was in a heated battle for 13th with several guys. He botched a last lap pass attempt in the chicane and ran off but managed to finish 16th. I run it in all Blue Line Racings club events since they allow busted down old war plow horses. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossrider Posted August 8, 2019 Author Share Posted August 8, 2019 (edited) Well after making the mistake of riding an R6 and my FZ back to back all day on the track I was forced to replace this, with this, After swapping in the slipper it was time for test and tune. As I understand it, the fz07 slipper was designed to have a little more drag than some of the other models to keep some of the engine braking feel of a twins class bike. It now feels like going into a corner on a big rubber band rather than on a boat anchor. With the added benefit of not having to rev match, time downshifts and manually slip the clutch to keep the rear wheel from locking or skipping under hard braking. Another plus is the freed up bandwidth to focus on other aspects of getting into and outta the corner. Should make an old guys day a little easier and just maybe a little faster. On an aside I was able to score this from a guy, Now we're really cooking with mr12. When it gets here I'll weigh it back to back with a stocker and see what's what. Let's go @pgeldz you're falling behind, lol. Update: Galespeed wheel, rotors, spacers and Dunlop KR448 spec tire weighs 23.8lbs Stock wheel, rotors, spacers and Dunlop KR448 weighs 26.8lbs, -3lbs, nice! Edited August 12, 2019 by mossrider 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member pgeldz Posted August 8, 2019 Premium Member Share Posted August 8, 2019 4 hours ago, mossrider said: Well after making the mistake of riding an R6 and my FZ back to back all day on the track I was forced to replace this, with this, After swapping in the slipper it was time for test and tune. As I understand it, the fz07 slipper was designed to have a little more drag than some of the other models to keep some of the engine braking feel of a twins class bike. It now feels like going into a corner on a big rubber band rather than on a boat anchor. With the added benefit of not having to rev match, time downshifts and manually slip the clutch to keep the rear wheel from locking or skipping under hard braking. Another plus is the freed up bandwidth to focus on other aspects of getting into and outta the corner. Should make an old guys day a little easier and just maybe a little faster. On an aside I was able to score this from a guy, Now we're really cooking with mr12. When it gets here I'll weigh it back to back with a stocker and see what's what. Let's go @pgeldz you're falling behind, lol. Haha, looking good man! I'm still waiting on a bunch of parts (Galespeed included, not wheels though) The way it's looking, my bike won't be in final spec for Round 1 of my season, unless all this stuff happens to show up. Hopefully, I'll have it back and built up enough to race at least..time will tell... - Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossrider Posted August 12, 2019 Author Share Posted August 12, 2019 When the white van pulls up to the shop, Special delivery from EDR Performance this morning. Looks like brand new. Galespeed forged aluminum racing wheel, spacers, rotors, and Dunlop KR448 spec tire weighs 23.8 lbs. The stock wheel, rotors , spacers and KR448 weighs 26.8 lbs, -3 lbs, nice savings in unsprung weight. Question now is what can we do with it? All set for load out and road trip to find out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beemer Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 1 hour ago, mossrider said: When the white van pulls up to the shop, Special delivery from EDR Performance this morning. Looks like brand new. Galespeed forged aluminum racing wheel, spacers, rotors, and Dunlop KR448 spec tire weighs 23.8 lbs. The stock wheel, rotors , spacers and KR448 weighs 26.8 lbs, -3 lbs, nice savings in unsprung weight. Question now is what can we do with it? All set for load out and road trip to find out! Man, how do you find gear & helmet to fit you?! 1 Beemer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossrider Posted August 18, 2019 Author Share Posted August 18, 2019 Grubbing up on route to Pitt, Randomville, USA. Brought buddies little trailer, 10mpg instead of 6. 0505 hours, another tar parking lot, another track. Crew sound asleep, work to be done. Coffee made, tires swapped out, breakfast cooking, tech in an hour, 100% humidity. They're getting gravy wrung from my skivies on their biscuits. I guess they should have got up & helped!? 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossrider Posted August 18, 2019 Author Share Posted August 18, 2019 We got down to 1:55's with room to spare which is not bad for a track day, BUT, This happened to my Yosh can. Third one that's failed. Good thing I went dumpster diving at AP's a couple weeks ago and scored that carbon version as a spare. Looks like metal fatigue as opposed to heat related. It's just ripped open and it barfed it's packing out. I know we generate some high pressures and heat since I've cooked 2 others from the inside out. This one shows no signs of excessive heat however. We're gonna throttle back for today and digest our data. Great day! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Evill_Ed Posted August 18, 2019 Premium Member Share Posted August 18, 2019 On 8/8/2019 at 8:49 AM, mossrider said: Well after making the mistake of riding an R6 and my FZ back to back all day on the track I was forced to replace this, with this, After swapping in the slipper it was time for test and tune. As I understand it, the fz07 slipper was designed to have a little more drag than some of the other models to keep some of the engine braking feel of a twins class bike. It now feels like going into a corner on a big rubber band rather than on a boat anchor. With the added benefit of not having to rev match, time downshifts and manually slip the clutch to keep the rear wheel from locking or skipping under hard braking. Another plus is the freed up bandwidth to focus on other aspects of getting into and outta the corner. Should make an old guys day a little easier and just maybe a little faster. On an aside I was able to score this from a guy, Now we're really cooking with mr12. When it gets here I'll weigh it back to back with a stocker and see what's what. Let's go @pgeldz you're falling behind, lol. Update: Galespeed wheel, rotors, spacers and Dunlop KR448 spec tire weighs 23.8lbs Stock wheel, rotors, spacers and Dunlop KR448 weighs 26.8lbs, -3lbs, nice! Damn it Moss, I’m an old(er) guy too and have also spent some laps on an R6, and I could stand to free up some bandwidth too. Now I gotta budget for a Yoyodyne as part of my winter upgrades nice score on the Galespeed front rim Ed 1 "Do not let this bad example influence you, follow only what is good" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member blackout Posted August 18, 2019 Premium Member Share Posted August 18, 2019 4 hours ago, mossrider said: We got down to 1:55's with room to spare which is not bad for a track day, BUT, This happened to my Yosh can. Third one that's failed. Good thing I went dumpster diving at AP's a couple weeks ago and scored that carbon version as a spare. Looks like metal fatigue as opposed to heat related. It's just ripped open and it barfed it's packing out. I know we generate some high pressures and heat since I've cooked 2 others from the inside out. This one shows no signs of excessive heat however. We're gonna throttle back for today and digest our data. Great day! I assume you are not running a baffle? The carbon can will last not long if you are having issues with the stainless version. Heat is not friendly to the resins in carbon fiber. 1 Craig Mapstone Upstate New York Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossrider Posted August 18, 2019 Author Share Posted August 18, 2019 31 minutes ago, blackout said: I assume you are not running a baffle? The carbon can will last not long if you are having issues with the stainless version. Heat is not friendly to the resins in carbon fiber. If I can just get to the end of season with a nickel in my pocket at this point... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Global Moderator sorkyah Posted August 19, 2019 Global Moderator Share Posted August 19, 2019 5 hours ago, mossrider said: If I can just get to the end of season with a nickel in my pocket at this point..."> Why not ask yosh for a sponsorship at this point 1 ATGATT... ATTATT, two acronyms I live by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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