Global Moderator sorkyah Posted January 6, 2019 Global Moderator Share Posted January 6, 2019 15 hours ago, mossrider said: Um, I believe it says 'track talk' at the top of this page, so it dern well does belong here. Good on you for venturing to the track, you'll have a blast. With your simple mods your bike should be ready to let you test your metal. Track days are a fun and safe (ish) way to feed the adrenaline bug. "I hated it", said no one ever. Now, let's have no more talk of glorious rides and open roads and warm days till the yard in the above pic reappears. I will hunt you down, I know some people.... it's a bit nippley but its good riding weather ATGATT... ATTATT, two acronyms I live by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossrider Posted January 6, 2019 Author Share Posted January 6, 2019 Just now, sorkyah said: it's a bit nippley but its good riding You can't always be first but you could be next... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Evill_Ed Posted January 7, 2019 Premium Member Share Posted January 7, 2019 Got my woodcraft clip ons installed, 1.5 drop in the down position. I did not like the high peaks and sharp bends in the throttle and clutch cables. (I think RojoRacing mentioned this too) Played around with throttle and clutch cable routing for awhile until I found a layout I liked. Everything moves smoothly, lock to lock, no binding or pulling. Instlled OE R6 throttle tube. Installed my Spiegler brake lines, had to play with the routing on those too. Any just finished the installation of Woodcraft rearsets. The Woodcraft parts are really nice quality and fit perfectly. Ed 3 "Do not let this bad example influence you, follow only what is good" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossrider Posted January 16, 2019 Author Share Posted January 16, 2019 Well I got some cool stuff shipped in but no time for a while to play with it The head, with fresh valve job and Web cams, Cams come with a word of caution right on the box, lol; Throttle bodies and boots bored for better flow, Head ported to breath deeper, Is it summer yet!?!? 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Evill_Ed Posted January 16, 2019 Premium Member Share Posted January 16, 2019 Sweet "Do not let this bad example influence you, follow only what is good" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishtaco Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 5 hours ago, mossrider said: Well I got some cool stuff shipped in but no time for a while to play with it The head, with fresh valve job and Web cams, Cams come with a word of caution right on the box, lol; Throttle bodies and boots bored for better flow, Head ported to breath deeper, Is it summer yet!?!? Hey Moss, who did the work ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossrider Posted January 17, 2019 Author Share Posted January 17, 2019 3 hours ago, fishtaco said: Hey Moss, who did the work ? Zoran @ TWF www.twfracing.com As seen above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Evill_Ed Posted January 17, 2019 Premium Member Share Posted January 17, 2019 I thought that was his work. I love the WARNING, Classic. "Do not let this bad example influence you, follow only what is good" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member bornagainbiker Posted January 17, 2019 Premium Member Share Posted January 17, 2019 18 hours ago, mossrider said: Well I got some cool stuff shipped in but no time for a while to play with it What kind of hp and torque will you be getting after the mods? Give Respect To Get Respect https://jeff-galbraith.pixels.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossrider Posted January 17, 2019 Author Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 hour ago, bornagainbiker said: What kind of hp and torque will you be getting after the mods? Hopefully 125/60 but be happy around 86ish/mid 50 with a Dyno tune and VP spec fuel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topazsparrow Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 13 minutes ago, mossrider said: Hopefully 125/60 but be happy around 86ish/mid 50 with a Dyno tune and VP spec fuel Stock rods are only good till 100 hp I've heard. I'd be shocked if you don't surpass 86/50 considering most stock engines are good for 80ish with akra, airbox and a tune. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member blackout Posted January 17, 2019 Premium Member Share Posted January 17, 2019 43 minutes ago, mossrider said: Hopefully 125/60 but be happy around 86ish/mid 50 with a Dyno tune and VP spec fuel Find a place to hide one of these. Craig Mapstone Upstate New York Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossrider Posted January 17, 2019 Author Share Posted January 17, 2019 I've posted this graph before. (keep in mind all of what follows includes the same modified stock airbox, appropriate dyno tune, flashed ecu, pc5, spec fuel and Yosh full exhaust) The blue line on this graph is a stock motor with the same set of cams in it this motor will have. Thats the motor we ran Pittsburg with last September. Add the bored throttle bodies and head work and you can extrapolate where this one should end up. This motor would be killer, probably 95 or better with all this work plus rods and pistons, but then you have to do tranny blue print, polish, shim, shot peen, under cut and cryo treat, AND pay for everything including labor. Full on MA motors are going $4,500+, just ouch. That red line was fun while it lasted, lol. That was the one we built and blew up at Road America last year. That was the green trace motor with cams, a decked head and Spears high compression pistons. The lesson there was to spend the money on rods while you have the cases split to do pistons. I didn't, so trying to save a grand may have cost me 3, I paid a premium for my mistake. Just imagine that one with a ported head and bored tb's! Playing in this sand box certainly is FUN but it do be expensive. I'll say it again, a pipe, flash and airbox is smart money on the street. More than that just bend over. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevets Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 hour ago, mossrider said: I'll say it again, a pipe, flash and airbox is smart money on the street. More than that just bend over. This is the conclusion I came to, and the level of mods I'm willing to do to my race bike. Any suggestions as far as pipe and airbox? Since these are the only mods I'm planning on doing, I'm willing to spend a little more and get higher quality components. I'm looking at FlashTune ECU, plus a dyno tune once I get both installed.https://ftecu.com/shop/category/2015-fz7/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossrider Posted January 17, 2019 Author Share Posted January 17, 2019 Just now, Nevets said: Any suggestions as far as pipe and airbox? Since these are the only mods I'm planning on doing, I'm willing to spend a little more and get higher quality components. Not being familiar with your rule book, I would; put a flash on, your pick, or a pc5, I have both as the pc is easier for me to mess with track side for quick shifter and such I like the Yosh pipe, it's cheapish, almost all performance tuning stuff/work was designed around it, it sounds great and crashes decently. Nothing wrong with the others tho. Put a Hord airbox on if rules allow, if not (like mine), modify the stock box (run w/o filter, lid off, wings cut off, holes added, shorter opened up intake rubbers) or just run open or filtered bells. They run pretty well in superstock/supersport trim compared to the SV or similar Lightweight/Twins class bikes. You'll get 75ish hp with better midrange and a softer top end. They tend to pull hard coming off corners and lay down on the longer straights. Easy to over brake due to engine braking and soft top after 8500rpm so you have to realy pay attention to entry and keep up corner speed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member blackout Posted January 18, 2019 Premium Member Share Posted January 18, 2019 I have the FTecu and would go with Power Commander if I was to do it over. You need internet connection to make changes to your FTecu map and if you lose connection during upload you brick your ecu. The PC makes more sense on a race bike if you want to mess with maps at the track. @mossrider, are you running the stock box because of the MotoAmerica rule that requires an actual airbox, no open filters? Do you know what the AP ram air sells for? Looks like it's 3d printed with carbon fiber filament. Craig Mapstone Upstate New York Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossrider Posted January 18, 2019 Author Share Posted January 18, 2019 Just now, blackout said: Mossrider, are you running the stock box because of the MotoAmerica rule that requires an actual airbox, no open filters? Do you know what the AP ram air sells for? Looks like it's 3d printed with carbon fiber filament. The first 2 years I raced this bike I had to have a 'stock, unmodified airbox' in place to stay within our Supersport rules. Once I decided to race MotoAmerica I knew I would be modifying my motor beyond Supersport rules. This also opens up the airbox rule but decided to use the stock but modified box for simplicity since we had been working with it on the dyno. We make about the same power with the modified box as the Hord box makes but that's not legal in MA. I not sure what he's getting for those ram air boxes, (I heard 850 from 1 guy who heard from another guy) . The guys I talked to using them said they were getting an additional 3ish hp on top but were also running all the rest of the motor goodies with it making for an expensive package. On a lesser motor I don't know if you'd get 3hp. Even tho we were down between 8-15hp to the front runners our trap speeds were very competitive. We had comparative hp with about half the grid. I had to draw the line somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member blackout Posted January 18, 2019 Premium Member Share Posted January 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, mossrider said: The first 2 years I raced this bike I had to have a 'stock, unmodified airbox' in place to stay within our Supersport rules. Once I decided to race MotoAmerica I knew I would be modifying my motor beyond Supersport rules. This also opens up the airbox rule but decided to use the stock but modified box for simplicity since we had been working with it on the dyno. We make about the same power with the modified box as the Hord box makes but that's not legal in MA. I not sure what he's getting for those ram air boxes, (I heard 850 from 1 guy who heard from another guy) . The guys I talked to using them said they were getting an additional 3ish hp on top but were also running all the rest of the motor goodies with it making for an expensive package. On a lesser motor I don't know if you'd get 3hp. Even tho we were down between 8-15hp to the front runners our trap speeds were very competitive. We had comparative hp with about half the grid. I had to draw the line somewhere. That's what I had thought. Thanks. Craig Mapstone Upstate New York Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossrider Posted January 19, 2019 Author Share Posted January 19, 2019 So it' was -31°F actiual (no wind) here this morning, makes it kinda tough to wanna go out to the shop and putz...sigh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member fzar Posted January 19, 2019 Premium Member Share Posted January 19, 2019 3 hours ago, mossrider said: So it' was -31°F actiual (no wind) here this morning, makes it kinda tough to wanna go out to the shop and putz...sigh... What!! That's ridiculous. I'm sure you'll have everything ready for when it needs to be ready, sometimes you have to call it a day for the high-stool and plan your next move, or get a heater!! (that's seriously cold) We got our first snow and ice of 2019 here this morning, luckily I got in a good ride yesterday. I'm reluctantly calling this the start of bike riding hibernation. Time to spend some $$$ on upgrades and get intimate with her again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scratchpad Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 On 1/17/2019 at 5:27 AM, mossrider said: Zoran @ TWF www.twfracing.com As seen above. Looks like our motors are very similar, if not the same build. I have a different intake set up then you do though. Going to the tuner tomorrow with the MA spec VP MGP. We'll see the outcome. Shoutout to Zoran 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossrider Posted February 8, 2019 Author Share Posted February 8, 2019 Just now, scratchpad said: Looks like our motors are very similar, if not the same build. I have a different intake set up then you do though. Going to the tuner tomorrow with the MA spec VP MGP. We'll see the outcome. Shoutout to Zoran Lemme know what you think of the new spec fuel. I have a can on order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scratchpad Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 1 minute ago, mossrider said: Lemme know what you think of the new spec fuel. I have a can on order. Without having any knowledge of fuel heres my observations. I spilled a little bit. It doesnt vaporize fast like MR12 or a true race fuel does. A small puddle on the floor stayed there for a while until i wiped it. It appears very oily. Its a yellow color. It doesnt knock your dick in the dirt when you get a whiff of it. I imagine its no different then Apex, just a safe fuel with no advantages. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TenRacing Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 On 1/1/2019 at 9:58 PM, mossrider said: Me modding an old engine stand... I noticed a monster Banshee (RZ350) 2 stroke might fit in here pretty well, 100 hp, half the weight of fz motor... Now that would be a miserable pig to race Must maintain focus ... Did you see where a guy put an RZ350 motor in an R3 chassis???? totally sketchy! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossrider Posted February 8, 2019 Author Share Posted February 8, 2019 Just now, TenRacing said: Did you see where a guy put an RZ350 motor in an R3 chassis???? totally sketchy! There's a video around here somewhere of that. Zach Corts and Ari Henning running at chuckwalla. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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