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Old Man

No, this is not a post about what options are out there. There's tons.

 

I just bought this bike last Saturday and while driving to work early one morning I noticed that the front turn signals were on. I thought to myself, "Cool, it has running lights." Then I looked at the back and they were not on.

 

Is this normal? If so, WTF? That's so half-assed.

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Beemer

I think it's normal and I also think half assed is the norm these days. A guy at an Oldsmobile dealership told me once that the new cars are purposely designed to only last about 10 years before they start falling apart and I believe him with all the cheap plastics and thin metals used in vehicles now.

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Old Man

So they'll see me better coming at them, but the guy behind me has free reign to ram his car or truck right up my.... 😱.

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DewMan
33 minutes ago, Old Man said:

So they'll see me better coming at them, but the guy behind me has free reign to ram his car or truck right up my.... 😱.

Exactly.

I've considered getting another set of Front OEM turn signals and installing them on the rear and wiring the stalk's running light into the brake's running light circuit to give me running lights on the rear pumpkins as well.

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shinyribs

Put the fronts out back for running lights and the run the rears up front. There's no real purpose for having the front as running lights because the headlight will just overpower them anyway.Look at any bike from the front and the headlight washes out all other light sources.

 

It's probably some assinign gov't regulation requiring it anyway. If they were really worried about our safety they would give us two headlight bulbs/units. You ever have your headlight die on the interstate at night? It royally sucks when that happens and you've got no backup. Start flashing the signals just to get a glimpse of road every other second :D

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Old Man

I have not looked at the wiring schematics of this bike yet as I've only had it a week, but I'm pretty sure you can bridge a wire from the headlight circuit that will keep them all on constantly. Probably why only the front are on as running lights because you bridge from the headlight harness. They just didn't bother to run a wire to the back.

 

If there is more than one signal relay for front and back, instead of just one for both, then we have a problem. But it might be that a stock front relay can work for the back as well.... IF there are two relays.

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Old Man

If the front turn signals are three wire and the rear only two wire, then I would order a pair of front turn signals and run a lead to the tail light or license plate constant lead.

 

Then check fuses to see if they are also separate... PITA!!!!.... F'n Yamaha!

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mjh937

I bought LED turn signals without DRL's..now they match.  I would check your local laws about having the rear turn signals both on.  I suspect it would be illegal (plus confusing to those behind you).  

 

I have a Supabrake to make myself more visible from behind. http://www.vizi-tec.com/supabrake-2/.  It works great. 

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sorkyah
20 hours ago, Old Man said:

If the front turn signals are three wire and the rear only two wire, then I would order a pair of front turn signals and run a lead to the tail light or license plate constant lead.

 

Then check fuses to see if they are also separate... PITA!!!!.... F'n Yamaha!

Yeah, they did some weird stuff with this bike

Wiring changes colors as you trace it too

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Beemer
22 hours ago, shinyribs said:

Put the fronts out back for running lights and the run the rears up front. There's no real purpose for having the front as running lights because the headlight will just overpower them anyway.Look at any bike from the front and the headlight washes out all other light sources.

 

It's probably some assinign gov't regulation requiring it anyway. If they were really worried about our safety they would give us two headlight bulbs/units. You ever have your headlight die on the interstate at night? It royally sucks when that happens and you've got no backup. Start flashing the signals just to get a glimpse of road every other second :D

I agree that the headlight washes out turn signals next to them but that's not the case in the daytime. Good point on the single headlight. Makes me feel I should carry a cheap, spare bulb under the pillion for such incidents.

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Beemer

I went a different route and installed white and amber BikeViz bullets on the top edge of my radiator and a couple red ones in back. I opted for the "glint" on the white ones to get more attention. They're so small and blend in so well you barely notice them with the lights off. Also, they're below the headlight so it doesn't drown them out completely and they double as marker lights.

https://www.bikevis.com/

 

 

 

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zooman72
7 hours ago, Beemer said:

I went a different route and installed white and amber BikeViz bullets on the top edge of my radiator and a couple red ones in back. I opted for the "glint" on the white ones to get more attention. They're so small and blend in so well you barely notice them with the lights off. Also, they're below the headlight so it doesn't drown them out completely and they double as marker lights.

https://www.bikevis.com/

 

 

 

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How readily obtained for those of us other the other side of "the pond", and how is installation?

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shinyribs
On 8/18/2018 at 10:12 AM, Old Man said:

I have not looked at the wiring schematics of this bike yet as I've only had it a week, but I'm pretty sure you can bridge a wire from the headlight circuit that will keep them all on constantly. Probably why only the front are on as running lights because you bridge from the headlight harness. They just didn't bother to run a wire to the back.

 

If there is more than one signal relay for front and back, instead of just one for both, then we have a problem. But it might be that a stock front relay can work for the back as well.... IF there are two relays.

fubar'd...disregard

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shinyribs
On 8/18/2018 at 10:12 AM, Old Man said:

Probably why only the front are on as running lights because you bridge from the headlight harness. They just didn't bother to run a wire to the back.

 

 

In the US, marker lights are required front and rear. Fronts have to be amber, rears have to be red. Our wrap-around tail light provides us with rear, red marker "lights" ( vehicle visible from the side).  So technically, Yamaha did give us front and rear marker/running lights....but there not creating the visibility guys are wanting when talking about running lights in this thread. With that in mind, Yamaha could have made the rear turn signals red and let them be dual filament. Turn signals can be red or amber out back, only amber up front. 

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Beemer
16 hours ago, zooman72 said:

How readily obtained for those of us other the other side of "the pond", and how is installation?

Sorry, but being that I'm on the opposite side of the pond I have no idea what you're buying experience will be like. You'll just have to guinea pig it or try and call them and have a chat about it. Installation was easy, drilled holes for each light, mounted them with the 3M tape provided and hooked up the wires, piece-o-cake! The red rears really stand out even on a bright day because of where I mounted them. They sit underneath in the shade of the handrails so they have some contrast to make them stand out and stand out they do! They're verrrry bright!

 

I'll get some pics of them in the sun when I get my bike fixed, it's down with a cold right now. 😉

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fzar
33 minutes ago, Beemer said:

it's down with a cold right now

What happened? I hope it's nothing too serious.

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Beemer
24 minutes ago, fzar said:

What happened? I hope it's nothing too serious.

Thanks for asking! It's nothing too serious, the battery is fully charged but for some odd reason the lights are dim when I turn the ignition on and when I hit the starter it does the chug-chug-chug and stops turning over. It acts as if the battery is almost dead but it isn't. Best guess, a loose, large cable somewhere. DewMan and I are going to get in there today and kick it's arse, hopefully, ha! If it kicks ours (wiring can be a total bitch) I'll simply take it somewhere and let them pound me.

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mick97702
2 hours ago, Beemer said:

Sorry, but being that I'm on the opposite side of the pond I have no idea what you're buying experience will be like. You'll just have to guinea pig it or try and call them and have a chat about it. Installation was easy, drilled holes for each light, mounted them with the 3M tape provided and hooked up the wires, piece-o-cake! The red rears really stand out even on a bright day because of where I mounted them. They sit underneath in the shade of the handrails so they have some contrast to make them stand out and stand out they do! They're verrrry bright!

 

I'll get some pics of them in the sun when I get my bike fixed, it's down with a cold right now. <img src=">

Could still be a bad battery (cell). It'll register a full charge but no amps...

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Beemer
10 hours ago, mick97702 said:

Could still be a bad battery (cell). It'll register a full charge but no amps...

When Dewman arrived with the right equipment to test it it turned out it was a bad battery after all.(thank god that's all it was!) I put my old battery back in it and even though it seems a little week from 30k miles of use it still starts it. I'll get a new battery soon just so I don't get stuck in BFE without a tissue to cry in. 😂

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elmo

I also wanted rear riding lights for  greater night visibility, same as autos.

However, while the plate light provides power, finding 3 wire with red LED's for rear vs. amber fronts was greater challenge than expected.

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mick97702
23 minutes ago, elmo said:

I also wanted rear riding lights for  greater night visibility, same as autos.

However, while the plate light provides power, finding 3 wire with red LED's for rear vs. amber fronts was greater challenge than expected.

http://www.hightechspeed.com/products/xarc/index.html

These give you running lights that you tap into the tail light. Also are turn and brake lights. Hella bright!

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elmo

Thank you Mick,

Nice option and appearance, 3-wire red on red leds for riding lights and turn single, or added brake if preferred.

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mick97702
1 hour ago, elmo said:

Thank you Mick,

Nice option and appearance, 3-wire red on red leds for riding lights and turn single, or added brake if preferred.

Low red= driving/marker lights

Hi red= brake lights

Yellow= turn/hazard signals

All work together. You don't have to pick and choose. 👍

I love them.

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Beemer

Here's a pic of the bullets in the sunlight. They're brighter than the running lights on the brake light.

 

 

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Here's a short clip of them at night.

 

https://youtu.be/o1ny4PFHnLI

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