faffi Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
safety Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 Perhaps.... but the following looks fun I wonder what's his build to achieve cornering like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruizin Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 I don't usually care for Cruisers. I respect them and the peeps that ride em, but I personally just dont care for their weight and stance in the corners. If I wanted a heavy bike, it would certainly be an FJ-1300 which hauls complete ass and can be ridden cross country bone stock, pretty comfortably. But with that said, in the back of my mind I have always wanted to own a Yamaha Vmax. Brute power, Baby. Flash and exhaust swap get's ya 196 HP. Yep, this would be the only cruiser that I would ever own. Yamaha MT-10 ForumYamaha Tracer 900 Forum Yamaha Ténéré 700 Forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topazsparrow Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 1 hour ago, Cruizin said: I don't usually care for Cruisers. I respect them and the peeps that ride em, but I personally just dont care for their weight and stance in the corners. If I wanted a heavy bike, it would certainly be an FJ-1300 which hauls complete ass and can be ridden cross country bone stock, pretty comfortably. But with that said, in the back of my mind I have always wanted to own a Yamaha Vmax. Brute power, Baby. Flash and exhaust swap get's ya 196 HP. Yep, this would be the only cruiser that I would ever own. I really wish more bikes came with a V4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faffi Posted June 6, 2018 Author Share Posted June 6, 2018 V4s are nice - until you need to work on them. Just check out the procedures to adjust the valves on a Vmax or VFR. Take the old Venture and you can add a good deal of work just making your way to the engine. Fun if you enjoy taking things apart, not so much if you prefer to ride. BTW, I cannot gel with the looks of the new Vmax. The old is OK. But as Cruizin said; the weight of cruisers and their limited ability to corner decently are off-putting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 7 hours ago, faffi said: V4s are nice - until you need to work on them. Just check out the procedures to adjust the valves on a Vmax or VFR. Take the old Venture and you can add a good deal of work just making your way to the engine. Fun if you enjoy taking things apart, not so much if you prefer to ride. BTW, I cannot gel with the looks of the new Vmax. The old is OK. But as Cruizin said; the weight of cruisers and their limited ability to corner decently are off-putting. V twins or anything with more than one cylinder head will always add time and complexity. A modern V4 from Aprilia requires all manner of special tools to adjust valve clearances. Add in variable valve timing like the VFR had and now you need to do the inspection twice - as well as having special tools. As for cruisers, it's that hands high and feet forward thing ( like someone stuck in a track/field long-jump landing position) i can't get used to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faffi Posted June 6, 2018 Author Share Posted June 6, 2018 I still think Yamaha have shown over time to make things harder to service than they should be, cruiser or not. It wasn't always like that (think RD), but even the air cooled single cylinder XT600 was pretty darn time consuming to work on. While Honda seems to add complexity just to show us what they can come up with, Yamaha seems more eager to make simple things hard to get to. Like the spark plugs on our MT07. However, after some serious faulty bikes in the 70s and early 80s, Yamaha now produce the most reliable motorcycles in the business, so they definitely do something right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motorazr Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 Cruisers; all your weight dead on your tailbone. Hands high and forward with compromised handling and a parachute sensation on the highway. Lots of weight carried low on a long chassis; under hard braking there is very little weight transfer. In a panic stop, the front-end pushes and slides while a skid at the rear can’t be managed because you’ve got no leverage on the bike with hands or legs/feet. It’s a relaxed position but it quickly becomes uncomfortable as you literally “sail” down the road being an accident waiting to happen. All motorcycles are dangerous but some are more dangerous than others (fingerless gloves and chrome nazi helmets don’t help things). Personally, I’m more interested in fully enjoying my ride than I am in looking cool at stop-lights to people ignorant of what they’re actually looking at. To my mind, what looks seriously cool is a capable and mature rider dressed head to toe in quality gear and on a bike without cheap or tacky mods. Such riders are a rarity in most parts of the United States. I was tortured by the Japanese during the war, Jack. Not a pretty story. Strange thing is they make such bloody good cameras. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liquidmetal Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 I like cruisers. I have a Kawasaki Vulcan that keeps my FZ company in the garage. A comfy and relaxing ride that is a nice departure from the FZ for when I am in the mood for such. I was intending to sell it when I bought the FZ, but then decided to keep it, I enjoy tooling around on it. Always had a thing for the Yamaha Stryker as well. Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faffi Posted July 17, 2018 Author Share Posted July 17, 2018 Actually, a longer and lower bike can stop in a shorter distance than a short and tall bike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beemer Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 6 hours ago, faffi said: Actually, a longer and lower bike can stop in a shorter distance than a short and tall bike. Have to give credit where credit is due but if you can't control a cruiser well when braking hard (or any other event) because of your posture on it or because when you lean a lot to avoid something your pipe or something else will scrape and make you wipe out I wouldn't want one. I'm sure a good number of people have seen this video. Beemer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beemer Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 On 6/5/2018 at 8:32 PM, Cruizin said: I don't usually care for Cruisers. I respect them and the peeps that ride em, but I personally just dont care for their weight and stance in the corners. If I wanted a heavy bike, it would certainly be an FJ-1300 which hauls complete ass and can be ridden cross country bone stock, pretty comfortably. But with that said, in the back of my mind I have always wanted to own a Yamaha Vmax. Brute power, Baby. Flash and exhaust swap get's ya 196 HP. Yep, this would be the only cruiser that I would ever own. This looks tempting.... https://fortmyers.craigslist.org/lee/mcy/d/yamaha-vmax-3000-runs-great/6616526104.html Beemer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topazsparrow Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 On 6/6/2018 at 6:46 AM, faffi said: ... complexity just to show us what they can come up with, Yamaha seems more eager to make simple things hard to get to. Like the spark plugs on our MT07. Man, Everyone complains about the spark plugs on the forum and I was dreading it when I did it a few months ago... I'm not sure what the big deal is, plastics off, tank sort of off, and away you go. Took me like 15 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faffi Posted July 17, 2018 Author Share Posted July 17, 2018 Well, you sure work a lot faster than me. I spend more than that just trying to get the plastic off without breaking anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zooman72 Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 On 7/16/2018 at 10:15 PM, Liquidmetal said: I like cruisers. I have a Kawasaki Vulcan that keeps my FZ company in the garage. A comfy and relaxing ride that is a nice departure from the FZ for when I am in the mood for such. I was intending to sell it when I bought the FZ, but then decided to keep it, I enjoy tooling around on it. Always had a thing for the Yamaha Stryker as well. Just picked up a 2015 FZ 07 (hence my being here), and have a 2012 Black Yamaha/ Star Stryker w/ the Vance & Hines black twin slash pipes and an Ivan's reflash. The Stryker is awesome to ride and pretty nice to look at (get comments all the time), and runs/ sounds great with the pipe/ flash combo. It is also way comfy and relaxed, but has quite a bit of "oomph" when opened up. Wanted the FZ 07 for something different (commute daily on the bikes), and wanted something small and light. Both bikes are great in their own way. The FZ came with sliders all around, MRA screen, Vagabond tail tidy, and an EJK - looking to add an exhaust soon (probably Ixil) after I add some preload adjusters to the forks. All in all, it is nice to jump back and forth between the two - certainly not bored... It is funny how tightly sprung the Stryker is, and how softly sprung the FZ is, considering my 200lbs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngieD700 Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 I’ve had 3 cruisers in the past 8yrs, but I’m looking forward to getting the MT07 on Monday. With that said, i can only imagine it’s two different exepriences (never had a sports or standard style bike). Currently, I have a HD Softail Slim, and it’s the most comfortable ride ever...I’m only 5’5” and the handlebar reach is perfect, the seat is comfortable as hell and suspension makes the ride smooth as hell. Perfect for long highway and back road rides. Don’t get it twisted, it has almost 1700cc so she gets up and moves. However, she’s heavy and turning small corners around town still make me feel like not too confident. Now, I started off on a smaller Sportster 883...that was fun to ride...you felt every corner and it wasn’t a “chore” to ride around town. Long rides, super uncomfortable after 30-45 mins. Only 800 cc so getting up to good speed on the highway was a task...and unlike the Slim, the 883 was so light...going 80 mph, I was certain a gust of wind would blow my ass to the other side of the highway. Just my two cents...if I could have both, I would. That Slim was like riding a caddy, but I’m ready to have something different Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faffi Posted July 22, 2018 Author Share Posted July 22, 2018 The 883 light? The 07 is nearly 200 lb less Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motorazr Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 On 7/17/2018 at 2:49 AM, faffi said: Actually, a longer and lower bike can stop in a shorter distance than a short and tall bike. Everyone's physics teacher used a similar phrase; "all other things being equal". That's not the real world though. In the real world, "longer and lower bike" likely weighs 700lbs (chrome-plated steel everywhere), wears narrower and harder compound bias-ply tires, and perhaps has a front brake intentionally de-tuned to avoid lawsuits from middle-aged attorneys who discover they're not such bad-asses after all and need someone to blame. Meanwhile, "short and tall bike" weighs 450lbs, wears wide and sticky radial tires, and the front brakes consist of four or six piston dual-calipers on big rotors. Throw-in ABS on both bikes and say weight doesn't necessarily impact stopping distance to keep things simple - still there is no getting around the difference in contact patches and tire compounds. Or am I missing something? I was tortured by the Japanese during the war, Jack. Not a pretty story. Strange thing is they make such bloody good cameras. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngieD700 Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 7 hours ago, faffi said: The 883 light? The 07 is nearly 200 lb less "> I was comparing to the Slim. Yeah, and I can only imagine what the 07 will be like, even lighter. I will have to adjust to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faffi Posted July 23, 2018 Author Share Posted July 23, 2018 @motorazr not all long and low bikes are like that. A typical sportbike takes about 42-45 meters to stop from 100kph. A BMW K1300R stopsin just 36 meters. Altso, weight is fairly irrelevant which is why cars typically stops better than motorcycles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member DewMan Posted July 23, 2018 Premium Member Share Posted July 23, 2018 4 hours ago, faffi said: @motorazr not all long and low bikes are like that. A typical sportbike takes about 42-45 meters to stop from 100kph. A BMW K1300R stopsin just 36 meters. Altso, weight is fairly irrelevant which is why cars typically stops better than motorcycles. Cars, despite their weight, normally stop quicker due to their much larger tire contact patch. If motorcycle had the same size contact patch they would stop much quicker due to their lighter weight. DewMan Just shut up and ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbo10 Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 5 hours ago, DewMan said: Cars, despite their weight, normally stop quicker due to their much larger tire contact patch. If motorcycle had the same size contact patch they would stop much quicker due to their lighter weight. Enter.....the Niken. Just do it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faffi Posted July 23, 2018 Author Share Posted July 23, 2018 5 hours ago, DewMan said: Cars, despite their weight, normally stop quicker due to their much larger tire contact patch. If motorcycle had the same size contact patch they would stop much quicker due to their lighter weight. I seriously doubt that is the main reason. If you go back 30 years, bikes stopped quicker than cars, and bikes had much narrower tyres then compared to now. So did cars, but cars have also generally become heavier. Personally, I believe braking technology and suspension technology is the main reason why cars stop so much better today, but I could be wrong. BTW, the Yamaha RD350L/C stopped in 39 meters from 100 kph back in 1980, better than any current race rep that I have seen data from. It had a 3.00x18 front and a 3.50x18 tyre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chademinent Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 This is a close to a cruiser as i would get. Ducati's "cruiser" My Build Thread http://www.fz07.org/thread/5796/hulagn-2015-fz07-build Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zooman72 Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 5 hours ago, chademinent said: This is a close to a cruiser as i would get. Ducati's "cruiser" I have ridden both the Diavel and X-Diavel, and they were both awesome (kinda preferred the X-Diavel) - too bad they had a sticker to match... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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