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Sport touring tyre comparo 2017

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MOTORRAD compared these tyres on a Suzuki GSX-S 750:
 
Michelin PR4 2CT
Bidgestone T30
Conti Road Attack 3
Metzeler Roadtec 01
Dunlop Roadsmart III
Pirelli Angel GT
 
Dry and wet tests were made.
 
Overall winner: Conti 231 points - 140 dry and 91 wet. Excellent feedback and grip, great handling. Much improved over RA2 in the wet.
 
Metzeler: 228 points - 135 dry and 93 wet. Confidence and feedback from the moment you start rolling, very comfortable, slightly lacking in precision/stability. Best in the wet.
Pirelli: 227 points - 136 dry and 91 wet. Prefer a rider with firm inputs in order to give the best feedback. Very good in the wet.
Michelin: 222 points - 131 dry and 91 wet. Very good allround tyre, just a slight lack of accuracy and grip at a 10/10 pace. Used to be best in the wet, still very good.
Dunlop: 221 points - 135 dry and 86 wet. Nimbler than the previous version. Longest braking distance in the wet.
Bridgestone: 214 points - 131 dry and 83 wet. Slow handling, but very neutral. Easy for all to ride. Slow handling affect wet weather points, grip fine.

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i28
I had Continental tires on my car and completely hated them. The reviews said they were better than the other brands but I didn't think so.
I wonder if motorcycle tires would be much more different.

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faffi
Tyres are personal things. I bought Goodyear rain-something for my car since they were supposed to run silently and comfortable and provide great grip according to tests. They roll average, have little grip and wear rapidly. Really shyte. Regarding Bridgestone motorcycle tyres; they give me zero feedback, and most tend to offer too little grip as well. I used to hate Pirellis back in the 80s, but their new Stradas and Angels have been nice. The Michelin PRs are a bit like Bridgestones in that I lack feedback - tyres feel numb and do not offer the sensation of gripping. At least they last a long, long time. But the worst tyres I've had by a country mile, for both cars and bikes, have been Dunflops. No feedbadk, no grip and no life. Cannot get much worse than that :D
 
But others swear by tyres I dislike, so who am I to say how things are?
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ralph
Like the Michelins better than Bridgestone on the 07 good tyres and would be happy with them.
Bridgestones had a tendency to want to go straight on and did not have as much feel as Mich's
Got Continentals on now better than the Bridgestones and at least as good if not slightly better that Miches I like them.
Had Metzeler on other bikes, liked them a lot good turn in and brilliant in the wet.
Never had much luck with Dunlops personally would never fit them.
Never tried Pirelli on a bike though quite liked them on a car.
Will fit Conti or Metz at next change just down to whats available.
Here in the UK you need a good rain tyre and round here one that can deal with mud n cow crap.
 
 

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faffi
I will try the Metz due to their supposed comfort. Don't ride much in the rain, but when I do, I like grip!

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Beemer
Like the Michelins better than Bridgestone on the 07 good tyres and would be happy with them. Bridgestones had a tendency to want to go straight on and did not have as much feel as Mich's
Got Continentals on now better than the Bridgestones and at least as good if not slightly better that Miches I like them.
Had Metzeler on other bikes, liked them a lot good turn in and brilliant in the wet.
Never had much luck with Dunlops personally would never fit them.
Never tried Pirelli on a bike though quite liked them on a car.
Will fit Conti or Metz at next change just down to whats available.
Here in the UK you need a good rain tyre and round here one that can deal with mud n cow crap.
 

I don't think there's a road tire on earth that can grip on mud or a cow patty in a corner, ha! Might as well be on ice.  ;) 

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noodles
Interesting! I'm due for replacement of my rear tire soon-ish. I was thinking of the Dunlop RS 3's to replace my Angel GTs. I was hoping for something with a little more wet grip. They still feel like they want to slide in even light rain. Maybe I'll try the Contis. Here, I made a little chart for my short list of tires for our bike & their prices on Revzilla as of 8/7/17 if anyone else would benefit from it:
CONTI RA3 - (R $193 F $146)
P ANGEL GT - (R $193 F $148)
M PR4 - (R $200 F $156)
DUNLOP RS3 - (R$169 F $129)
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Beemer
Tyres are personal things. I bought Goodyear rain-something for my car since they were supposed to run silently and comfortable and provide great grip according to tests. They roll average, have little grip and wear rapidly. Really shyte. Regarding Bridgestone motorcycle tyres; they give me zero feedback, and most tend to offer too little grip as well. I used to hate Pirellis back in the 80s, but their new Stradas and Angels have been nice. The Michelin PRs are a bit like Bridgestones in that I lack feedback - tyres feel numb and do not offer the sensation of gripping. At least they last a long, long time. But the worst tyres I've had by a country mile, for both cars and bikes, have been Dunflops. No feedbadk, no grip and no life. Cannot get much worse than that :D 
But others swear by tyres I dislike, so who am I to say how things are?
I hope you're wrong about the Dunlop RS II's because I ordered a set. Have you used the Dunlop RS2's or just other Dunlop model tires? No biggie I guess since I usually get off the road when it rains. 

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faffi
Although of the worser tyres in the wet, the RS II must still be considered safe and sound. They drew flack for a harsh ride, heavy change of direction, massive tendency to straighten the bike when hitting the brakes mid-corner and poor grip (relatively speaking) in the dry. Long lasting and very stable at high speeds, the tyre was considered great for big sport-tourers doing very high speed touring on large bikes like the ZX-14, FJR1300, VFR1200 etc.
 
But only can tell whether you like them or not. Personally, I will never fit Dunlops to any vehicle - the ones I've had came with the purchase. The scariest were the D205 on my GSX600F because they had grip like crazy, wet or dry, on asphalt. But on worn tarmac, I had scary little grip in the dry - far less than you typically have on gravel - and in the wet the bike was spinning up in every gear like mad. And getting it stopped was even harder. Then there was the D208s that wore out in 1500 miles yet had no grip - other than the D205s on tarmac, I have never had so many slides at so little lean ever, before or after. Perhaps they would work in 100-degree heat, but not in this country.
 
No fan of Bridgerocks either, BTW :D

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noodles

Based on this thread when it was time to change tires I switched from Angel to Road Attack 3's... We'll see how they hold up

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gregjet

Continental tyres have had a huge change over the last 10 years. The good ones are really good but like all the others the lower rung tyres are not good. I liked them on the road on my motorcycles, but didn't like them much on medium sized bikes and bigger on the track. Used a set of race attacks ONCE and changed to a bridge 003r . Huge improvement.

Wet riding is a combination of compound AND water removal. Any tyre with substantial areas of uninterrupted smooth rubber is going to film up and reduce grip. Having lived for most of my life in a monsoon area, wet weather performance requires big water removal ability , so siping is imperative. For a long time that meant squirmy tyres but it is no longer necessarily the case ( PR4's look like wet weather racing tyres almost but perfom really well in the dry).

I would like to try the metzelers. I didn't like the adventure versions that canme on my TR650, but that may be a particular model thing. They were swapped to PR4's on it and the improvement was huge. The surprise was how reasonable the PR4's were on dirt roads ( NOT good but controllable). I know in the UK the metzelers have a great reputation for their race tyres.

It's funny , for years Dunlops were THE best wet weather tyres. The original k91's ( 1970's) were a revelation, but they just slipped backwards from then. They were the first real wet weather tyre.

I used pirelli's on my small race bkes , and at the tiny sizes they were pretty good wet and dry. We raced in the wet, including with 2'' water and mud running across the track in places. If you want to know why Jack Millar races well in the wet, this might give you an idea why...

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faffi

As I think I've mentioned already, tyre preferences differ greatly. For instance, Bridgestone BT45s were the standard for diagonal tyres for 2 decades, winning just about every comparo test printed. Personally, I hated them. I really liked the Pirelli MT75 front in conjunction with the MT66 rear on my Vulcan, though; compliant, communicative, long lasting and splendid grip. I also fancied the Michelin A49/M48 combination, but hated the Macadam 50s that followed. "Everybody" raved about the Pirelli MT28+ Supercomp back in the 80s, but for me they gave no life and would slide at the slightest provocation. And so on.

 

What really surprise me, though, is how well some tyres would stick even 30 years ago. I regularly leaned my GS550 far enough over to scrape the alternator cover plus exhaust and stands, and the Michelin tyres would still grip fine, despite being unloaded quite a bit. I've ridden radials with far less grip. At least for me and the way I ride. Maybe I do something wrong.

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gregjet

Faffi, I agree and disagree re: BT45's.

First the OEM ones had different profiles and compound to the aftermarket ones. No idea why.

Second I HATED Bt45 rears. Vague, tippy and just OK grip.

The fronts, however I loved. On my tiny race bikes I would use the fronts on the front and rear ( well the BT45R's). Don't even know why they gave them the same designation , because the front and back were SOOOO different.

 

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HARRY BALZAK

What the hell is a tyre?

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gregjet

"What the hell is a tyre?"

It's what the entire rest of the world except the US uses for round black things. Like Aluminum ( how come they don't have uranum, and sodum and magnesum?), the US just makes up it's own rules to ensure misunderstanding with the rest of the world.

I particularly enjoy a gallon of 144 fluid ounces instead of the original 160 ( not that pretty much nobody uses gallons, or other ancient Imperial legacy units anymore anyway).

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